That is such a courageous step to take. What happens if asylum request is denied and they are returned custody to Saudi Arabia and their family? That scares me. I hope they know what to say when asking for asylum.
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not sure why you are flagged but you bring out a valid point.
I think flagged for a lot of flamebaiting and misrepresentation of all the things.
I'm going to address one point and then flee this thread: "An American Woman wanting to be a housewife is internalized misogyny..." No. Modern (4th wave) feminists don't think that. That train of thought hasn't really been popular since the 70's.
If you're going to bring in the intersection of religions, it's pretty easy to say that they all have conservative and liberal branches, and that typically modern feminism falls to "if it works for you and isn't about you oppressing someone, have at it". So most 4th wave feminists would be able to reconcile a woman wanting to be Muslim and also not be restrained by society. The same way they assume that you can be a Christian and also a cool person, or a stay at home mom and a feminist.
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#13For those leaving I imagine it seems like they're leaving forever, family, friends, everything you knew is gone. There's no way to know if you ever can go back considering the possible consequences and you're often going to places that aren't familiar. That's a rough choice.
It's worth to mention the consequences explicitly: if you happen to mention you're fleeing because of religious oppression it may be considered apostasy, which is punishable by death[1]. Saudi Arabia is a very thorough implementation of Islam, and therefore a disgusting country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Saudi_A...
Saudi Arabia's issues have more to do with authoritarianism. Authoritarianism can come in vanilla, chocolate, or strawberry.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's worth to mention the consequences explicitly: if you happen to mention you're fleeing because of religious oppression it may be considered apostasy, which is punishable by death[1]. Saudi Arabia is a very thorough implementation of Islam, and therefore a disgusting country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Saudi_A...
> Saudi Arabia is a very thorough implementation of Islam, and therefore a disgusting country. You make the assumption that the Saudi version of Islam is the only valid one. It's not.
True, but the only way to make it more sensible is to be less thorough. I.e. not implement certain rules that are stated explicitly in the books. Like modern Christians and Jews that do not kill adulterers, even though Deuteronomy explicitly tells them to do so.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's worth to mention the consequences explicitly: if you happen to mention you're fleeing because of religious oppression it may be considered apostasy, which is punishable by death[1]. Saudi Arabia is a very thorough implementation of Islam, and therefore a disgusting country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Saudi_A...
> Saudi Arabia is a very thorough implementation of Islam, and therefore a disgusting country. You make the assumption that the Saudi version of Islam is the only valid one. It's not.
I don't think the parent made that assumption, though. They stated it was "thorough", not valid. While I have no idea what a "valid" interpretation of Islam means (it seems like an unprovable honorific, bestowed arbitrarily), "thorough" seems more like an assertion of direct correspondence to the original text.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Saudi Arabia is a very thorough implementation of Islam, and therefore a disgusting country. You make the assumption that the Saudi version of Islam is the only valid one. It's not.
True, but the only way to make it more sensible is to be less thorough. I.e. not implement certain rules that are stated explicitly in the books. Like modern Christians and Jews that do not kill adulterers, even though Deuteronomy explicitly tells them to do so.
Protip: Stoning for adultery isn’t in the Quran, despite any grumbling about lost verses you might hear.
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not sure why you are flagged but you bring out a valid point.
He is flagged because you are not allowed to call out the political left on supporting Islam. Even though it basically contradicts everything that is politically left.
It's a garbage religion and has no place in America.
Make Istanbul Constantinople Again. Deus vult.
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#18They are used to treating women like children who never grow up. There is always a guardian in charge of them. It is crazy to read they've set up a website to send notifications and disable family members from travel.
They only just allowed women to vote/run for office a few years ago, and women to drive last year. This is a great produced piece by nytimes as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ8WPHj6Nhw
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Saudi Arabia is a very thorough implementation of Islam, and therefore a disgusting country. You make the assumption that the Saudi version of Islam is the only valid one. It's not.
True, but the only way to make it more sensible is to be less thorough. I.e. not implement certain rules that are stated explicitly in the books. Like modern Christians and Jews that do not kill adulterers, even though Deuteronomy explicitly tells them to do so.
The literal interpretation of the scriptures is not the only one, and it's certainly not the one that was prevalent historically. That's true for both Christianity and Islam.
To read scripture literally is not more thorough than to interpret it in some other way.
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#20For those leaving I imagine it seems like they're leaving forever, family, friends, everything you knew is gone. There's no way to know if you ever can go back considering the possible consequences and you're often going to places that aren't familiar. That's a rough choice.
True, but in a major city in Canada at that age, she will have no problem making friends. Just has to contend with her first winter. Otherwise her timing coudn't be better, with diplomatic relations being the disaster they are now.
I'm not sure that Canada is for someone leaving Saudi Arabia as a positive thing as you think. The person leaving doesn't necessarily love Canada... even if it is the better option.