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Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by lucideer » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:41 AM UTC

firic wrote: post #25

sgift wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the moment the 'Great Satan' stops to control all flow of goods into and out of the Gaza. It's easy to say Israel has withdrawn when all they did was move a few kilometers further out.

What would you recommend Israel do when Hamas's charter literally says that they what to destroy Israel and the Jews? Hamas is Gaza's elected party and letting them import weapons is very bad for Israeli civilians.

Hamas is Israel's creation. Fatah were the dominant political force in Gaza over the decades and decades of oppression until Hamas were finally founded more recently as an attempt at firmer and less tolerant response to Israel.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by pjc50 » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:41 AM UTC

yahoo234 wrote: post #4

padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

Gaza is ¬1M people and has received tens of BN$ of aid. Israel has withdrawn all its forces from Gaza 10 years ago. At what stage do Gazan start behaving like responsible adults rather than blaming the Great Satan?

> withdrawn all its forces from Gaza 10 years ago

That doesn't include airstrikes which are regular and ongoing:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-ai...

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by PlutoIsAPlanet » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:42 AM UTC

tariandbari wrote: post #27

PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #9

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Why are you confusing antisemitism and antizionism? The poster is criticising the actions of a state, that's not anti-semitism in any way. He didn't even say anything about jews or judaism.

I don't know if the OP of this thread is part of the antizionism camp. I can only assert that he is an idiot (He looks at the map and cannot see the long border that is shared between Gaza and Egypt) BUT antisemitism == antizionism as it simply design to strip Jews from their own homeland. Antizionism is not part of a global anti nationality movement that says "Let's abolish the 57 Islamic countries, the 21 Arab coun…

I don't think anyone who claims to be anti-zionist apart from the far-right of the spectrum calls for the destruction of Israel.

The "homeland" reason is stupid. Religion should have no say in politics, including the founding of states.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by PlutoIsAPlanet » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:44 AM UTC

tariandbari wrote: post #21

Zofren wrote: post #11

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Not to lean either way, but it would be nice if it was possible to criticize Israel without it being conflated with antisemitism. Criticizing Saudi Arabia, for example, doesn't typically cause people to assume I'm criticizing Islam.

You can criticize Israel as much as you want. But what people so often do is to apply different morals to Israel and other countries. And that's is pure antisemitism.

Israel gets the same level of expectations as any other 'western' democratic state as it ultimately wants to be part of if it isn't already the Western community.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by skrebbel » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:53 AM UTC

mustuhfa wrote: post #2

Having worked closely with GSG for the last few years and done 2 trips there to mentor and host workshops, I would encourage anybody who has the time and interest in sharing their knowledge to reach out to them and help them. As the saying goes that constraint breeds creativity, I have never meet a more energetic, enthusiastic bunch of people who just want to make themselves useful and build something that they can b…

I could see myself doing this a few years from now. Does a Gaza stamp in your passport limit someone's entry into other countries? (eg USA)

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by golergka » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:54 AM UTC

padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

> Israel's blockade contrvene's international law.

I'm not an expert in international law, but blaming a country for protecting it's citizens from being bombed into oblivion is just nuts. The only thing this "blockade" is intended to do is to stop Hamas from building rockets. Everything that cannot be used to build rockets goes in and out through any crossing every day of the week.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 11:06 AM UTC

firic wrote: post #25

sgift wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the moment the 'Great Satan' stops to control all flow of goods into and out of the Gaza. It's easy to say Israel has withdrawn when all they did was move a few kilometers further out.

What would you recommend Israel do when Hamas's charter literally says that they what to destroy Israel and the Jews? Hamas is Gaza's elected party and letting them import weapons is very bad for Israeli civilians.

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Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by okyougotmenow » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 11:11 AM UTC

padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

Really jogs the noggin' as to why this particular country receives the preferential treatment it does on the international stage in spite of actions that would have any other country sanctioned or bombed to smithereens. I can't quite figure it out! It's also pretty interesting how this comment was able to draw out so many purely organic defensive comments, more quickly than even a thread critical of China would.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by skrebbel » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 11:13 AM UTC

lucideer wrote: post #31

firic wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you recommend Israel do when Hamas's charter literally says that they what to destroy Israel and the Jews? Hamas is Gaza's elected party and letting them import weapons is very bad for Israeli civilians.

Hamas is Israel's creation. Fatah were the dominant political force in Gaza over the decades and decades of oppression until Hamas were finally founded more recently as an attempt at firmer and less tolerant response to Israel.

Sure, but you didn't answer the question. Even if Hamas and even Gaza are totally Israel's fault, the fact that Hamas wants to destroy Israel makes some of Israel's actions pretty damn rational. What else can they do? "Shit, we pushed these Palestinians way too hard for way too long. Fair enough, they can bomb the shit out of our country now".

All that said, I'm not invested in the matter, and I'm a geopolitics noob, but I wonder what would happen if Israel would, unprovoked and unilaterally, drop all restrictions, recognize Palestina as a country and supply as much financial aid as is needed to rebuild the place. Just overnight. Wouldn't Hamas's support crumble instantly? Wouldn't the atmosphere be exactly like when they took down the Berlin wall?

I mean, would Palestinian combatants truly use the newly opened borders to immediately drive into Tel Aviv and shoot everybody? Tbh I don't see it.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by amitport » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 11:13 AM UTC

badminton1 wrote: post #30

tariandbari wrote: post #18

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It takes some real unique ability to look at Gaza's map and missing the fact that it has a very long border with ... Egypt. So even if Gaza is an "open air prison" there is more than one guard to it.

The border with Egypt is walled. The wall also extends underground to prevent smuggling. The Gaza strip cannot be accessed by air or sea either.

Are you suggesting that the border with Egypt should allow smuggling? The point is that it is a border with Egypt, not Israel. Goods can (and do) enter from there.