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From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

references?

"On Monday, police in the Swedish city of Östersund advised women not to go outdoors alone following a string of public assaults and sex attacks in the past three weeks" [1]. Crime increase is huge, just google for independent news sources that were not silenced by governments. http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/cologne...

Please be careful with so called independent news sources. There is a lot of noise around Sweden by the foreign state controlled media manipulation organizations.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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I am a Swede and can say that SVT is not a trustworthy source of news. Pretty much no swedish media is. SVT is a bit like Fox news but for the left and we have other news groups in Sweden that are like Fox news for the right. That is the state of the Swedish media. SOURCE: 52% voted for the greens (left) and pretty much the overwhelming majority of what's left voted red (left) in a recent scientific poll. http://jmg.…

While i agree that SVT/state media has a very left leaning profile and are leaving facts and statistics unsaid/hidden, that does not mean that the article itself is untrue and uninteresting.

I think that's exactly what it means.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Of course, as long as the media report world views that confirm your political opinion it's probably the best media outlet in the country. Am I right?

I'm not sure what this argument is. It's equally likely that you dislike it because it doesn't conform to your views, regardless who's "right".

It is an argument that shows I care about the truth, not political opinion when reading about the world.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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I don't see how what I said and what you said is mutually exclusive, or why what I said is incorrect. Refugees get to the entry-point countries, where they are met with squalid conditions in camps, aggression from locals and media, so they just pack their things and move somewhere else.

No they can't pack things and move elsewhere because they have no papers. Asylum applications are processed in the country of entry.

I'm sure that people who escaped war don't give a shit about having papers - they just want to be treated like people, not dogs, so if you put them in a camp with horrible conditions it's only natural that some of them will go somewhere else, whether they have papers or not. I still don't see how my original statement is incorrect.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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I am a Swede and can say that SVT is not a trustworthy source of news. Pretty much no swedish media is. SVT is a bit like Fox news but for the left and we have other news groups in Sweden that are like Fox news for the right. That is the state of the Swedish media. SOURCE: 52% voted for the greens (left) and pretty much the overwhelming majority of what's left voted red (left) in a recent scientific poll. http://jmg.…

Have you actually ever watched Fox News?

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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I read the other day that Sweden had to cancel the Earth Hour event where they turn of lights for an hour because the last time they did in 2015 many gang rapes occurred which were committed by refugees. (even 12 year olds were raped) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour#2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3499108/Earth-hour-c... That's what you get when you let young women decide on anything related to…

No offence, but dailymail links should be banned on HN. It's just a vile website that is full of BS on literally any topic it touches. Whatever gets them most clicks/sold newspapers, basically.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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I am a Swede and can say that SVT is not a trustworthy source of news. Pretty much no swedish media is. SVT is a bit like Fox news but for the left and we have other news groups in Sweden that are like Fox news for the right. That is the state of the Swedish media. SOURCE: 52% voted for the greens (left) and pretty much the overwhelming majority of what's left voted red (left) in a recent scientific poll. http://jmg.…

And I am a Swede and would consider taking your comment with a huge grain of salt.

I have relatives in Sweden and I find the disparity between what is reported by external (non-Swedish) media about events happening in Sweden and what the Swedish mainstream media itself reports is deeply disturbing.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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I read the other day that Sweden had to cancel the Earth Hour event where they turn of lights for an hour because the last time they did in 2015 many gang rapes occurred which were committed by refugees. (even 12 year olds were raped) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour#2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3499108/Earth-hour-c... That's what you get when you let young women decide on anything related to…

No offence, but dailymail links should be banned on HN. It's just a vile website that is full of BS on literally any topic it touches. Whatever gets them most clicks/sold newspapers, basically.

Okay, let's just censor news that you don't like. I on the other hand live in a EU country that is the main target for these refugees and I can tell you this stuff (in particular rapes) is real and you calling it BS isn't going to change the reality of what is going on here.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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I am a Swede and can say that SVT is not a trustworthy source of news. Pretty much no swedish media is. SVT is a bit like Fox news but for the left and we have other news groups in Sweden that are like Fox news for the right. That is the state of the Swedish media. SOURCE: 52% voted for the greens (left) and pretty much the overwhelming majority of what's left voted red (left) in a recent scientific poll. http://jmg.…

"Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

They don't deliver any arguments. The entire existence of SVT has one practical purpose: build political opinion. I am just saying that this is the case with them and pretty much every Swedish media outlet.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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I am a Swede and can say that SVT is not a trustworthy source of news. Pretty much no swedish media is. SVT is a bit like Fox news but for the left and we have other news groups in Sweden that are like Fox news for the right. That is the state of the Swedish media. SOURCE: 52% voted for the greens (left) and pretty much the overwhelming majority of what's left voted red (left) in a recent scientific poll. http://jmg.…

While I'm not a Swede I do live in Sweden and I do follow Swedish news (both the 'official' as well as the 'alternative' sources). I do have to concede that SVT (and, more or less to the same extent, SR - Swedish Radio) has a problem with bias. Being a state-financed broadcaster (through a mandatory payment for anyone who has 'television reception equipment' in their residence, no matter whether that equipment is used to watch SVT) they are by law mandated to be politically neutral. This is something they (as an organisation) fail in, and rather miserably. If I were to place them somewhere in the political spectrum they would end up next to the (ruling) labour party, sometimes to the left of them, sometimes to the right. In this they mirror most of the 'official' media in Sweden which hover around the same area in their political orientation. As the previous poster indicated this can partly be explained by looking at the political orientation for the large majority of those employed in the 'media' and 'culture' sector.

This combination of left-oriented media and a left-wing government has led to a systematic failure of the media to keep check on the government, especially where it concerns Miljöpartiet (the green party). That party was recently shaken by a number of scandals, mostly related to the infiltration of islamist politicians - one of whom made it as far as a position as minister for housing in the current government, he stepped down when his position become untenable - with an agenda which diametrically opposed that of the party itself. Until a few months ago there was not a single (!) critical voice in the 'official' media where it concerned this party. Where all other parties - especially those which are in opposition against the current migration policy in Sweden - were targeted by the media (as they should be, this is part of their function, to keep check on the political establish ment) the green party sailed by without a single critical voice.

Another problem lies in the fact that Swedish media often use supposedly objective but in truth politically activist research organisations as source for their material. The best example of this is 'Expo', an organisation which was set up to do research on anti-Semitism, racism and xenophobia. This might have been their charter once but they do not live up to it, instead they are a political activist organisation with an agenda which resembles that of Vänsterpartiet ('the left party', formerly known as 'Vänsterpartiet Kommunisterna' or 'the left wing party communists', they changed their name after the demise of the Soviet Union) and Miljöpartiet. While in itself this is not a problem, they are still treated by the media as if they are an objective, politically neutral organisation. That is a problem.

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