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From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by thecopy »

staticelf wrote: post #4

I am a Swede and can say that SVT is not a trustworthy source of news. Pretty much no swedish media is. SVT is a bit like Fox news but for the left and we have other news groups in Sweden that are like Fox news for the right. That is the state of the Swedish media. SOURCE: 52% voted for the greens (left) and pretty much the overwhelming majority of what's left voted red (left) in a recent scientific poll. http://jmg.…

While i agree that SVT/state media has a very left leaning profile and are leaving facts and statistics unsaid/hidden, that does not mean that the article itself is untrue and uninteresting.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by gambiting »

d33 wrote: post #7

Why do refugees need to go to as far as Sweden to escape war? Why wouldn't they stop at the nearest EU country, or even closer to Syria?

A good analogy would be, if you were very thirsty, but there were no shops around and you had no money. You would walk up to the nearest house and ask for some water. But if they refuse, would you stand there and demand they give you water, or would you just go to the next house up the street and try again?

I feel like this is similar - refugees are met with animosity in good case and outright aggression in worst, so they just keep on moving until they get to the place that will accept them.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by return0 »

gambiting wrote: post #22
d33 wrote: post #7

Why do refugees need to go to as far as Sweden to escape war? Why wouldn't they stop at the nearest EU country, or even closer to Syria?

A good analogy would be, if you were very thirsty, but there were no shops around and you had no money. You would walk up to the nearest house and ask for some water. But if they refuse, would you stand there and demand they give you water, or would you just go to the next house up the street and try again? I feel like this is similar - refugees are met with animosity in good case and outright aggression in worst, so…

Not correct. Refugees stay in entry-point countries until their refugee application is processed, which can take months. Meanwhile, many of them seek to find illegal ways to move up north.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by DominikR »

I read the other day that Sweden had to cancel the Earth Hour event where they turn of lights for an hour because the last time they did in 2015 many gang rapes occurred which were committed by refugees. (even 12 year olds were raped)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour#2016

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3499108/Earth-hour-c...

That's what you get when you let young women decide on anything related to the nations security. They are the one's who were holding the "refugees are welcome" signs, they are the ones who overwhelmingly vote for Socialists.

I live by the way in the EU so I'm also affected by all of this. Some might say it's heartless but if I saw today a women getting raped or beaten by a refugee on the streets I wouldn't even help her. A year ago she was likely one of those who was calling people like me (I'm against inviting millions to come to the EU like Merkel did) a racist in order to shut us up. Now live with the consequences.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by croon »

staticelf wrote: post #9
erikrothoff wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I am a Swede and would consider taking your comment with a huge grain of salt.

Of course, as long as the media report world views that confirm your political opinion it's probably the best media outlet in the country. Am I right?

I'm not sure what this argument is. It's equally likely that you dislike it because it doesn't conform to your views, regardless who's "right".

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by gambiting »

return0 wrote: post #23
gambiting wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good analogy would be, if you were very thirsty, but there were no shops around and you had no money. You would walk up to the nearest house and ask for some water. But if they refuse, would you stand there and demand they give you water, or would you just go to the next house up the street and try again? I feel like this is similar - refugees are met with animosity in good case and outright aggression in worst, so…

Not correct. Refugees stay in entry-point countries until their refugee application is processed, which can take months. Meanwhile, many of them seek to find illegal ways to move up north.

I don't see how what I said and what you said is mutually exclusive, or why what I said is incorrect. Refugees get to the entry-point countries, where they are met with squalid conditions in camps, aggression from locals and media, so they just pack their things and move somewhere else.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by return0 »

kartan wrote: post #12
staticelf wrote: post #4

I am a Swede and can say that SVT is not a trustworthy source of news. Pretty much no swedish media is. SVT is a bit like Fox news but for the left and we have other news groups in Sweden that are like Fox news for the right. That is the state of the Swedish media. SOURCE: 52% voted for the greens (left) and pretty much the overwhelming majority of what's left voted red (left) in a recent scientific poll. http://jmg.…

"Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Does not apply to mainstream media. When the medium is the message, the line between attacking the message or the medium is blurred.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by pjc50 »

d33 wrote: post #7

Why do refugees need to go to as far as Sweden to escape war? Why wouldn't they stop at the nearest EU country, or even closer to Syria?

Forcing all the refugees to stay in Greece or Bulgaria would just collapse those countries instead. You may remember that Greece had its own financial crisis, and Bulgaria is one of the poorest countries in the EU.

One of the contributory factors to the war in Syria was that 10% of the population were refugees from Iraq ...

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by croon »

sremani wrote: post #20
croon wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a gross mischaracterization. I would describe it simply as a smaller BBC, with all that entails. It's more like NPR than FOX in regards to bias. And that is an immense difference. Edit: As you deleted your comment, I'll edit here instead. I know the party affiliations, and why I made a comparison to a left biased state sponsored radio network. I still strongly disagree with your comparison to FOX News. It's a…

NPR is polite cousin of MSNBC, but the politics and biases are not that different.

I disagree with your scale, but otherwise that was my point in the comparison.

Re: From Syria to Sweden – 200 voices on escaping the war

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Post by return0 »

gambiting wrote: post #26
return0 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not correct. Refugees stay in entry-point countries until their refugee application is processed, which can take months. Meanwhile, many of them seek to find illegal ways to move up north.

I don't see how what I said and what you said is mutually exclusive, or why what I said is incorrect. Refugees get to the entry-point countries, where they are met with squalid conditions in camps, aggression from locals and media, so they just pack their things and move somewhere else.

No they can't pack things and move elsewhere because they have no papers. Asylum applications are processed in the country of entry.
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