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Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by pseudalopex »

intended wrote: post #116
fl4regun wrote: post #31

This is a little bit of a tangent compared to the post, but can someone explain to me why it's NOW that we have multiple countries (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and probably others that I am not aware of) all looking at age verification for a technology (the internet and all the things it lets you access) has existed for over 2 decades, and has been mature for at least 10 years? You could buy illicit drugs and watch p…

Because it’s been building for a while, and (in my opinion) because it’s not a major traffic generating topic on builder focused sites like HN. The most proximate domino was the Australian social media ban. Australia was already a country known to experiment with ways to deal with social media - see the news fee they imposed on platforms. Behind that was the build up of negative outcomes from social media for kids, a…

> The harms are not something I tend to find actively discussed on HN;

Define actively. They are discussed often. In discussions of age restrictions especially.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by metabagel »

tsukikage wrote: post #267
jazzyjackson wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are a business that wants to advertise, there’s not much out there besides Meta and Google, so if they don’t pick up the phone, I guess we just won’t advertise online (back to radio spots and the local newspaper which for a small shop is fine I guess)

So, Meta are certainly happy to take advertiser money (except when they aren't, apparently), and demonstrably triple-digit-billion-dollars worth of people are happy to pay them, so something somewhere must be working, but I still don't understand... ...who the hell buys anything from Facebook ads? I never have, no-one I know ever has. Is my bubble seriously that strong? I admit, I do click on Facebook ads every so of…

I know two people who have sold on FB Marketplace, so apparently it works. I login to FB about 3 times a year and get icked out almost immediately. I refuse to install FB on my phone, because Zuck snoops on the people you share phone calls with.

Craiglist has served me well in the past.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by jancsika »

reaperducer wrote: post #271
Aurornis wrote: post #136

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This has all been brewing for years. Remember the TikTok ban and all of the debates around it? We’ve been hearing news headlines about social media and kids for many years. The state level laws around porn site ID checks have been rolling in gradually for years, too. There are always claims that is a shadowy cabal of world leaders coordinating in secret or that a specific corporation is lobbying to do it all, but the…

This has all been brewing for years. Remember the TikTok ban and all of the debates around it? Tiktok? I remember when people were freaking out about porn games on the Atari 2600.

Now I'm curious-- if I do an image capture of my face on an Atari 2600, can AI recreate a recognizable image of my face from that data?

Edit: by "data" I mean only the screencapture of the Atari 2600 output at some point in time.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by stephbook »

jjgreen wrote: post #188
panny wrote: post #143

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The problem with that is, parents be like: >Here kid, take my key, go get me some beer. Everyone everywhere gets forced to deal with bullshit, then the people it is supposed to be protecting circumvent it directly.

When I was 8 or 9, my Father would often give me 50p to go down to the nearby pub to get him 20 cigarettes and a half-pound bar of chocolate, which came to 48p. Always "and where's my change then?" when I returned. Tight git.

Sounds like your father would have noticed a missing cigarette.

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Post by metabagel »

reaperducer wrote: post #260
JackFr wrote: post #228

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Stop using Facebook. It's really that simple. Found the guy who's never heard of "shadow profiles." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_profile

They didn't say delete your FB account. They just said to stop using it.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by numpad0 »

neponeko wrote: post #47
fl4regun wrote: post #31

This is a little bit of a tangent compared to the post, but can someone explain to me why it's NOW that we have multiple countries (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and probably others that I am not aware of) all looking at age verification for a technology (the internet and all the things it lets you access) has existed for over 2 decades, and has been mature for at least 10 years? You could buy illicit drugs and watch p…

Rich people are panicking because they’ve seen a capital-poor country win a war with cheap drones and want to lock down as many technologies as they can, lest the ruled realize they can actually do something about their rulers.

I agree that "they" are panicking, but I think it's more towards that they mashed pay-to-skip-classes button only to realize that they ended up being without skills or connections, rather than that it has to do with Ukraine at all, frankly

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by stephbook »

Havoc wrote: post #258

I wouldn’t mind as much if it was entirely in house gov run. They realistically know a lot about me already - incl blood donations so could get dna even. Outsourcing this to random ass for profits is a problem though.

As a European with a digital-ID passport that supports age verification without identification, the lack of technical support for this infuriates me.

Maybe once we have the euro-wide digital wallet and make it compulsory to support it.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by dzdt »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #229
fl4regun wrote: post #31

This is a little bit of a tangent compared to the post, but can someone explain to me why it's NOW that we have multiple countries (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and probably others that I am not aware of) all looking at age verification for a technology (the internet and all the things it lets you access) has existed for over 2 decades, and has been mature for at least 10 years? You could buy illicit drugs and watch p…

What has changed is that there's now a market for data that maps addresses to apparent ethnicities (for use by palantir to sell to governments, in support of ethnic cleansing programmes).

I think you are right on the big picture : what has changed is Big Tech has recognized that comprehensive data on individuals is valuable. I think the biggest value category however is in the area of highly-targeted opinion manipulation. Build a model of what are the current beliefs of each individual, get paid by marketing or political candidates or whoever to generate an optimized media feed to manipulate that person's beliefs to match some target set of beliefs.
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