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Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by Damogran6 »

wwweston wrote: post #114
munk-a wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct that your data isn't particularly impactful for these platforms - but you're also overestimating the value that many of these services have. A fair few of them have competitors with better features and privacy offerings so the only reason you need them is purely for the network effect of everyone else using them.

And increasingly, everyone isn’t using them, even if they’re on them. I’m on Insta and WhatsApp and I use them a few times per year. I’m on Messenger and have seen a dramatic dropoff in messages. I’m on FB frequently and notice only a small fraction of my friends bother anymore and it’s become an interest platform to make up the lack, so I’m trending toward less time there. I’m on Twitter/X but check in maybe once a…

Add to that, FB is no longer people...it's viewing entertainment...and I turn it off a bunch.

Threads is the new time sink and a lot of times I open it and close it shortly thereafter because it's all the same...someone with a 20 part diatribe, someone repeating the news, someone telling you to be outraged, engagement bait.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

harel wrote: post #44

It ends with "The platforms need you far more than you need them". And I think this is the misconception. No, they don't. The amount of people who will sign this, is a fraction of a fraction of a "platform"'s users. They will not care if they lose 50,000 users out of 2 Billion. A drop in the ocean. Not the target audience anyway. And that is the real shame. Because I don't want to have to give my face or do age verif…

> I will give them whatever they want to get past the hurdle and use the service.

Why? Why not just hold firm to your principles and sacrifice convenience for your personal sovereignty. When you don't, you make the situation worse for everyone else as well by normalizing this bullshit.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by jazzyjackson »

JackFr wrote: post #228
b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but I guess a private company has the right to ignore people they don’t want as customers. The problem is the monopolistic power these companies have.

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If you are a business that wants to advertise, there’s not much out there besides Meta and Google, so if they don’t pick up the phone, I guess we just won’t advertise online (back to radio spots and the local newspaper which for a small shop is fine I guess)

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by deeteecee »

vlucas wrote: post #88

The phrase "people will not just [...]" comes to mind here. The amount of people that let the TSA take a scan of their face when going through airport security - even when the signage clearly says you can opt out - proves that this effort, while noble, will fail. I (and the family members I am with) always opt-out, but every time I look around, I am the only one doing it. If I had to guess, I'd put a compliance figur…

The signage is not clear and also, you're directly faced in an environment that's not friendly so yeah, it will fail.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by vlucas »

trollbridge wrote: post #134
vlucas wrote: post #88

The phrase "people will not just [...]" comes to mind here. The amount of people that let the TSA take a scan of their face when going through airport security - even when the signage clearly says you can opt out - proves that this effort, while noble, will fail. I (and the family members I am with) always opt-out, but every time I look around, I am the only one doing it. If I had to guess, I'd put a compliance figur…

The TSA already knows what your face looks like, though.

They have photos, but not a voluntary full face scan.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by fl4regun »

RajT88 wrote: post #196
fl4regun wrote: post #31

This is a little bit of a tangent compared to the post, but can someone explain to me why it's NOW that we have multiple countries (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and probably others that I am not aware of) all looking at age verification for a technology (the internet and all the things it lets you access) has existed for over 2 decades, and has been mature for at least 10 years? You could buy illicit drugs and watch p…

It is particularly bizarre given the increasingly frightening array of designer drugs available at gas stations and convenience stores. You probably have seen them if you live in the US, and had little idea about them.

I live in Canada so I don't know about this. What are gas stations and convenience stores carrying now?

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by speak_plainly »

fl4regun wrote: post #31

This is a little bit of a tangent compared to the post, but can someone explain to me why it's NOW that we have multiple countries (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and probably others that I am not aware of) all looking at age verification for a technology (the internet and all the things it lets you access) has existed for over 2 decades, and has been mature for at least 10 years? You could buy illicit drugs and watch p…

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Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by billyoyo »

panny wrote: post #226
billyoyo wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're describing contact tracing, that is not vaccination. If people were less afraid of vaccinations, invasive practices like contact tracing would be less necessary. Arguing against that sort of contact tracing may have merits (Not necessarily saying I agree but it's a discussion worth having). Arguing against vaccination is dangerous and ends up with people dead.

>may have You're splitting hairs because clearly you cheered on the surveillance state. That didn't stop with contact tracing. Contact tracing was just the most egregious example. I watched you people scan QR codes to let big government know where you were when going to the toilet. I know where I'm at. I know you just want more reasons to flag my posts for covid wrongthink. Knock yourselves out if it makes you feel b…

I'm not American, so I'll admit I don't exactly subscribe to your american-centric ideas of what the global pandemic was about (operative word: global).

You haven't really explained the link between getting vaccinated and contact tracing, or any other form or surveillance. Getting vaccinated is a simple one-time transactional interaction. There is no intrinsic need for surveillance.

With that in mind, why are you against vaccination? Like I said - people being less anti-vaccination should help build a world where surveillance is less necessary. So you should be in favour of it.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by vlucas »

deeteecee wrote: post #234
vlucas wrote: post #88

The phrase "people will not just [...]" comes to mind here. The amount of people that let the TSA take a scan of their face when going through airport security - even when the signage clearly says you can opt out - proves that this effort, while noble, will fail. I (and the family members I am with) always opt-out, but every time I look around, I am the only one doing it. If I had to guess, I'd put a compliance figur…

The signage is not clear and also, you're directly faced in an environment that's not friendly so yeah, it will fail.

I just say "no, I am opting out" and that's the end of it. They literally don't care.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by algoth1 »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #194

I quit facebook over a decade ago. Then, a few months back, I was under some pressure to sell something, and the facebook marketplace appears to be the way to go locally. So I tried to create a facebook account. They wanted to scan my face, and in a moment of weakness, I performed the ritual. Thirty seconds later, they suspended my account due to violations of their terms of service: "this decision cannot be appealed…

When a xiaomi 15 phone asks to scan your face for phone unlock, it specifically warns that a photo of you may be sufficient to unlock the phone. Not sure how it works with other brands/models, but i don’t think the way they are doing face verification is the right way to do it
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