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Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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> People enjoy short form video, people should be able to enjoy things they like with dignity, which is in extremely short supply on algorithm and advert driven social media. People “enjoy” heroin, crack cocaine, fentanyl too, should they “enjoy” them with dignity too?

Would you prefer that they do it without dignity?

I would prefer they don't do it at all, unless there's a medical urgency.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Not sure how the fediverse that missed the Twitter alternative because of its design complexity, will get the video market, a lot less geek.

I guess I don't get why all of these don't target better user experience goals - one login / trust plane and full distribution for decentralization.

The way I'd look at it is more like Bitcoin where everyone can decide how much compute to give to the pool to verify people or posts and maybe everyone shares chunks of the whole pie with copies like freenet.

Maybe I'm (likely) too dumb to get why this isn't what things in the fediverse is but they all are an awful experience and having so many hosts makes critical mass non existent so I can't be bothered to participate.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

#293

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> People enjoy short form video, people should be able to enjoy things they like with dignity, which is in extremely short supply on algorithm and advert driven social media. People “enjoy” heroin, crack cocaine, fentanyl too, should they “enjoy” them with dignity too?

I love love love how you deny people both their enjoyment and their dignity. You are a truly moral person; I hope you have numerous progeny.

> I love love love how you deny people both their enjoyment and their dignity. You are a truly moral person; I hope you have numerous progeny.

Only enjoyment from drugs, they're free to do it with dignity without enjoyment.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Not sure how the fediverse that missed the Twitter alternative because of its design complexity, will get the video market, a lot less geek.

Let me present my take on why the federated alternatives struggle to replace X: Twitter didn't succeed because it was a particularly good solution - it really isn't. It succeeded purely on the back of the network effect. When every open-source alternative simply copies the existing restrictions without adding any unique value, why would users switch to an equally flawed version where none of the accounts they actuall…

People did fly to Bluesky. Some accounts there have 1 million followers.

Bluesky got the decentralisation UX right.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Not sure how the fediverse that missed the Twitter alternative because of its design complexity, will get the video market, a lot less geek.

What do you mean by 'the fediverse that missed the Twitter alternative'? I thought Mastodon is the Twitter alternative. Sorry; I didn't het it.

Bluesky became that, while Mastodon had months of head start.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Maybe it could be what prescribed Methadone is to Heroin addicts.

Watching all these open source, federated versions of social media platforms is like if you found out your favourite drug was actually manufactured by some really bad people and made people around the world suffer. So you make an open source version of the drug. Similar formula, just this time the people can own it. Sure you cut out the bad people, but is the situation improved now?

That's no way to talk about Open-Cola.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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I briefly hosted a Lemmy server on my machine just to see how it works and my god never again. The pictures that were automatically synced to my machine did not only make me lose faith in humanity, but it made me shut down and wipe my machine immediately because I was terrified that some of those images would land me some serious jail time. So if you choose to host something like this, be very aware that there are so…

This has nothing to do with Lemmy, but more with any social media that is just open to the general public. Ask the moderator teams of Facebook, what they encounter day to day. Many of these poor folks work in shitty job conditions and burn out leaving with PTSD.

If you spin up a fediverse app like Lemmy, you spin up a platform. It is platform software. And you get the responsibility, but also the opportunity, to set that up well. Curate the content in your instance. Lemmy and any other fediverse apps comes with a set of moderation tools that allow you to handle this, and there is a strong focus in the developer community to improve them on a continual basis.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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I briefly hosted a Lemmy server on my machine just to see how it works and my god never again. The pictures that were automatically synced to my machine did not only make me lose faith in humanity, but it made me shut down and wipe my machine immediately because I was terrified that some of those images would land me some serious jail time. So if you choose to host something like this, be very aware that there are so…

.. ah, yes, "completely unmoderated free speech system that supports images" does mean "may contain CSAM". Heck, even Instagram had a horrific "mirror world" incident where the moderation bit got flipped on a number of images which ordinary users were exposed to. I wouldn't run any kind of publishing system for anons myself. It's potentially valuable for an actual social group though.

I mean... reddit also defended that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19975375

> Social news site Reddit will not censor "distasteful" sections of its website, its chief executive has said.

jailbait, upskirt, etc. were all huge subreddits back then.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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post #248

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> so I would encourage you to create the content or communities you want to see. There are hidden reasons behind centralized solutions, that make decentralized solutions unpopular. If anyone suggests "just go out and make it better", it's missing the point. That's like saying: "don't participate in society, just start your own". In theory it makes sense, in practice it's just ignorance and lack of awareness on how di…

I don't know why your dragging centralization/decentralization, business model, Fairphone, etc. into the conversation now. It sort of feels like you're overthinking this. I often talk to people about Signal irl, most download the app but some folks do. Some people actually want a For You feed and will bounce off Loops, Mastodon, or whatever. That's all fine. These spaces can have content about cars or guns or whateve…

I'm not overthinking it, if you were right and everything was simple, statistics on popularity of decentralized platforms would look different. That's empirical proof. It's science, you can read what Adorno, Horkheimer, Marcuse, Shoshana Zuboff or Tristan Harri wrote about media, you can notice that right now it's all global Skinner box experiment or you may ignore all that and go with "vibes" on why decentralized platforms fail to gain real popularity.

One approach is based on science, other bases on unfounded feelings. Some people will use these decentralized platforms, but that's not the point. My point is that it's not as simple as just telling people around you "just use this". There are systemic reasons why most people don't use them and serious analysis starts once you get it. Without that it's just wishful thinking, so sure, you will get something on these platforms, but it's like one commenter here mentioned, he tried Loops, used it for a while and it's mostly trash for him, while better community will never appear there.

To get real traction and user base on such decentralized platforms, we would need to change the way society functions first. That's why it's impossibly hard challenge. Without foundations, such projects are doomed to fail, they just can't compete with mainstream, centralized platforms.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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For 20+ years World of Warcraft has dominated the MMORPG genre. There have been a host of challengers and they've all miserably failed. In fact, there have only been a handful of successes (eg UO, EQ, FF14). And what do almost all of these challengers have in common? Some version of "the PvP is going to be amazing". Why do these companies like PVP? Because it's essentially user-generated content. It increases time sp…

Great analogy, especially considering the extent to which people play social media (especially Twitter, and derivatives) as a PvP game. Which has the "Trammel problem", from Ultima Online: nobody wants to be on the losing side.
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