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Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by dewey »

mft_ wrote: post #261
bloody-crow wrote: post #204

Who actually wants this? Kids obsesses with TikTok don't care about federated/open source bits. People who do are not on TikTok or interested in this type of brainrot in the first place. What am I missing?

What you’re missing is that there’s maybe a bigger crossover between people (and age groups) who use TikTok and people who might prefer it if they weren’t tracked and monetised, than you are imagining. My experience is that TikTok’e algorithm is so good it largely reflects the individual user. My feed is 99% wholesome - presumably because that’s how I’ve trained it over time. I’m amazed by other people’s stories of b…

> it if they weren’t tracked and monetised

I think that group of people if very small, but overrepresented on sites like this. Regular people just don't care. They _might_ pay to remove ads, but because they are annoying not because they are afraid of tracking or being monetized.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by dewey »

Lio wrote: post #242
bloody-crow wrote: post #204

Who actually wants this? Kids obsesses with TikTok don't care about federated/open source bits. People who do are not on TikTok or interested in this type of brainrot in the first place. What am I missing?

The world could do with a decent, privacy focused, YouTube competitor. Maybe this could grow into that?

Who is going to pay for the video bandwidth?

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by latexr »

wiseowise wrote: post #253
boriskourt wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok has ~1.59 billion global active users, if you go to Cambodia you will have a hard time not seeing it in the wild. It is painful that this is still seen as some teen trend. People enjoy short form video, people should be able to enjoy things they like with dignity , which is in extremely short supply on algorithm and advert driven social media. Loops is nice because it isn't algorithm oriented. You can follow f…

> People enjoy short form video, people should be able to enjoy things they like with dignity, which is in extremely short supply on algorithm and advert driven social media. People “enjoy” heroin, crack cocaine, fentanyl too, should they “enjoy” them with dignity too?

Yes, of course. That’s what Portugal’s drug policy did. By allowing a path for doing hard drugs safely and with dignity, you also allow a path for conversation, getting help, and leaving them behind.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by dewey »

hackersk wrote: post #263

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> Instagram Reels being algorithmically hostile to small creators, and YouTube Shorts still feeling like an afterthought

The average consumer doesn't care about these things, they will go to the technically inferior product that they already use (YouTube) or use IG Reels that are basically identical to TT and share a lot of the popular creators already. If the platform is hostile to small creators isn't really something that people care about, as can be seen by the popularity of Spotify.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by listic »

maelito wrote: post #268

Not sure how the fediverse that missed the Twitter alternative because of its design complexity, will get the video market, a lot less geek.

What do you mean by 'the fediverse that missed the Twitter alternative'? I thought Mastodon is the Twitter alternative. Sorry; I didn't het it.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by atomicfiredoll »

Adiqq wrote: post #248
atomicfiredoll wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I want loops/mastodon to be a diverse place that has content from all over the internet. I think a lot of Fedi people want that, but the community is still small. It's a bit of a chicken and egg, so I would encourage you to create the content or communities you want to see. I'm not a Loops user atm though.

> so I would encourage you to create the content or communities you want to see. There are hidden reasons behind centralized solutions, that make decentralized solutions unpopular. If anyone suggests "just go out and make it better", it's missing the point. That's like saying: "don't participate in society, just start your own". In theory it makes sense, in practice it's just ignorance and lack of awareness on how di…

I don't know why your dragging centralization/decentralization, business model, Fairphone, etc. into the conversation now. It sort of feels like you're overthinking this.

I often talk to people about Signal irl, most download the app but some folks do. Some people actually want a For You feed and will bounce off Loops, Mastodon, or whatever. That's all fine. These spaces can have content about cars or guns or whatever else without eating the entire world.

You said:

> I want loops/mastodon to be a diverse place that has content from all over the internet.

Again, I think lots of people who are already in the Fediverse want that. But, if everybody who likes cars decides they won't join in until somebody who shares content about cars does, that car community may never show up.

You seem to have interests that you feel are undeserved. Just... regularly share things about what you think is cool. Just do it for funsies.

If you really feel strongly about wanting to make a diverse space, cross promote your stuff in spaces with other people who have the same interests. Share a post, share a video, ask them to follow you. Maybe even start an instance dedicated to the topic if that's your vision.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by dewey »

deminature wrote: post #159
nanobuilds wrote: post #153

The UX should be more "mass user" friendly if the goal is to attract mainstream users. Sign in with Apple/etc.. selecting a server is technical language and not end-user language etc.

Selecting a server is one of the reasons the fediverse appears to have not seriously challenged incumbents. As soon as a non-technical user sees this, they bounce.

I think this got much better than on the early days. Nowadays it's not much different than picking your Discord server, which is already something everyone is aware of.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by CodeCompost »

I briefly hosted a Lemmy server on my machine just to see how it works and my god never again. The pictures that were automatically synced to my machine did not only make me lose faith in humanity, but it made me shut down and wipe my machine immediately because I was terrified that some of those images would land me some serious jail time.

So if you choose to host something like this, be very aware that there are some sick, sick people out there.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by pjc50 »

boriskourt wrote: post #265
wiseowise wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People enjoy short form video, people should be able to enjoy things they like with dignity, which is in extremely short supply on algorithm and advert driven social media. People “enjoy” heroin, crack cocaine, fentanyl too, should they “enjoy” them with dignity too?

yes, a lot of the issues around this come because of the lack of dignity.

Both in the case of drugs and short form vertical video.

There's a lot of stuff which may loosely be termed "vices", e.g. alcohol and gambling, which have the property:

- many people never touch

- many people indulge without significant harm, getting enjoyment from the process

- some people over indulge messily

- a few people get their lives completely ruined, or ruin the lives of those around them

Then there's an uncomfortable, unreconcilable tension between the desire to punish/prevent the last group by banning the thing, versus the second group entirely reasonably saying that it's not a problem for them.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by lynx97 »

boriskourt wrote: post #251
bloody-crow wrote: post #204

Who actually wants this? Kids obsesses with TikTok don't care about federated/open source bits. People who do are not on TikTok or interested in this type of brainrot in the first place. What am I missing?

TikTok has ~1.59 billion global active users, if you go to Cambodia you will have a hard time not seeing it in the wild. It is painful that this is still seen as some teen trend. People enjoy short form video, people should be able to enjoy things they like with dignity , which is in extremely short supply on algorithm and advert driven social media. Loops is nice because it isn't algorithm oriented. You can follow f…

It is seen as some teen trend because... brankly... most users are rather infantil.
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