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Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by boriskourt »

bloody-crow wrote: post #204

Who actually wants this? Kids obsesses with TikTok don't care about federated/open source bits. People who do are not on TikTok or interested in this type of brainrot in the first place. What am I missing?

TikTok has ~1.59 billion global active users, if you go to Cambodia you will have a hard time not seeing it in the wild. It is painful that this is still seen as some teen trend.

People enjoy short form video, people should be able to enjoy things they like with dignity, which is in extremely short supply on algorithm and advert driven social media.

Loops is nice because it isn't algorithm oriented. You can follow folks and just see their things if you like, or see whats on the instance.

Loops doesn't need to 'slay tiktok' Loops just needs to grow organically and support the niches that feel like using it, and it can take the time to do that at any pace. Its success is not determined by user numbers or series rounds.

I don't like to produce short form video, but its been nice to now follow a few people on Loops from Mastodon. Its nice that the Fediverse allows multiple forms of expression.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by wiseowise »

boriskourt wrote: post #251
bloody-crow wrote: post #204

Who actually wants this? Kids obsesses with TikTok don't care about federated/open source bits. People who do are not on TikTok or interested in this type of brainrot in the first place. What am I missing?

TikTok has ~1.59 billion global active users, if you go to Cambodia you will have a hard time not seeing it in the wild. It is painful that this is still seen as some teen trend. People enjoy short form video, people should be able to enjoy things they like with dignity , which is in extremely short supply on algorithm and advert driven social media. Loops is nice because it isn't algorithm oriented. You can follow f…

> People enjoy short form video, people should be able to enjoy things they like with dignity, which is in extremely short supply on algorithm and advert driven social media.

People “enjoy” heroin, crack cocaine, fentanyl too, should they “enjoy” them with dignity too?

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by wiseowise »

Grimburger wrote: post #208
bloody-crow wrote: post #204

Who actually wants this? Kids obsesses with TikTok don't care about federated/open source bits. People who do are not on TikTok or interested in this type of brainrot in the first place. What am I missing?

Yeah I can make a dropbox clone in a one-liner bash command too Outright dismissal like this should be judged as harshly as the comment itself.

> Yeah I can make a dropbox clone in a one-liner bash command too

Jesus, is this the only argument you people have now? Some decade old comment of a non-business guy?

Parent is right, loops removes precisely what makes TikTok addicting. It’s like removing heroin high for addicts – what’s the point of the injection, then?

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by wiseowise »

raincole wrote: post #222
Grimburger wrote: post #208

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Yeah I can make a dropbox clone in a one-liner bash command too Outright dismissal like this should be judged as harshly as the comment itself.

The parent comment explained why they dismissed this in clear language. Yours is a random weird comparison to Dropbox (how is it related to this post? Which side is Dropbox, TikTok or Loops?)

It’s a new trend to shoehorn any random shit into this comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by jampekka »

larodi wrote: post #226
raincole wrote: post #221

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Heroin is illegal, so the first step to make this analogy work is to criminalize TikTok.

Long overdue in fact. But then perhaps heroin wouldn’t be illegal if it was big pharma was producing it in large quantities. It just got barred early enough. Besides why we always forget how addictive and damaging is the well available alcohol?

Heroin was produced in huge quantities and it was a very popular drug for many ailments, including cough, asthma, insomnia and calming down children. It declined only after the 1912 International Opium Convention. In Finland it was a popular cough suppressant until the 1950s. In e.g. UK it's still used for severe pain.

Heroin (diamorphine) as a molecule isn't really substantially more problematic than e.g. oxycodone or fentanyl, which are in widespread medical use. The specific ban of heroin is more a historical contingency.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by blablablerg »

wiseowise wrote: post #253
boriskourt wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok has ~1.59 billion global active users, if you go to Cambodia you will have a hard time not seeing it in the wild. It is painful that this is still seen as some teen trend. People enjoy short form video, people should be able to enjoy things they like with dignity , which is in extremely short supply on algorithm and advert driven social media. Loops is nice because it isn't algorithm oriented. You can follow f…

> People enjoy short form video, people should be able to enjoy things they like with dignity, which is in extremely short supply on algorithm and advert driven social media. People “enjoy” heroin, crack cocaine, fentanyl too, should they “enjoy” them with dignity too?

Yes.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by wiseowise »

echelon wrote: post #196
rustyhancock wrote: post #194

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As is the incessant stream. If there is a pause at all in the next video loading the addicted user can break free. One of the issues with federated anything is that there will be good servers and bad servers. Good servers get hammered, and if you're popular you might end up perversely paying for people to watch your videos having to fund your server to maintain its performance. This happened with mastadon, matrix and…

Birth rates took a dip with broadband, smartphones, and TikTok. Dopamine and attention sinks are pulling society in directions counter to evolutionary programming. Our runtime algorithms optimize for different things. No value judgment, but it's interesting. I haven't had kids (yet?), and I feel the internet (and the career that revolves around it) is the biggest reason why.

> No value judgment, but it's interesting. I haven't had kids (yet?), and I feel the internet (and the career that revolves around it) is the biggest reason why.

How exactly the internet and the career prevented you from having kids? Have you discussed this with your partner?

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by wiseowise »

echelon wrote: post #241
jowsie wrote: post #235

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This is completely ignoring the most common reason for not having children that I've heard amongst friends and family: "I can't afford a house, I'll never be able to afford kids."

I really don't buy that argument at all. My parents lived in apartments. Parents for all of human civilization and history have lived in worse. The fastest growing populations have less money and safety nets than middle class folks. It's the dopamine and time suck. Men and women aren't bored and looking to fill the void and boredom with children. (Kids also can't work as free labor on the farm anymore, either, but th…

So you think trudging through life with kids is somehow more virtuous than trying to enjoy limited time you have?

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Post by dbdr »

intothemild wrote: post #210
brikym wrote: post #207

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Maybe it could be what prescribed Methadone is to Heroin addicts.

Watching all these open source, federated versions of social media platforms is like if you found out your favourite drug was actually manufactured by some really bad people and made people around the world suffer. So you make an open source version of the drug. Similar formula, just this time the people can own it. Sure you cut out the bad people, but is the situation improved now?

The harm from social media is at least in part caused by the feed suggestion algorithm being optimized for screen time (aka addiction). Potentially open social media where the suggestion algorithm is not that could be a big improvement.
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