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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by ModernMech »

andrewmutz wrote: post #173
overfeed wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure it's a total coincidence that Shopify (on whose board DHH sits) coincidentally became an active participant on toppling the maintainers soon after they criticized DHH. Given the power dynamics, the burden of proof is on Shopify to proove it wasn't retaliating at the behest of, or in a misguided attempt to defend DHH's honor.

> Given the power dynamics, the burden of proof is on Shopify to prooave it wasn't retaliating at the behest of, or in a misguided attempt to defend DHH's honor. That’s just a way of saying “I don’t have any evidence of what I’m claiming”

It's more like saying "I wasn't born yesterday"

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by jaredcwhite »

claudiug wrote: post #142
jcmfernandes wrote: post #135

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What wasn't factual in Joel's comment?

it paints all the stuff like is one person fault. omits to tell like stuff like - gem.coop -> the person behind have a new tool rv that want to sell it - they want to sell the rubygems logs to corporatins - change the root pass at aws once they where remove from the project small details like this.

you're leaving out copious amounts of context here so sounds like you are obfuscating on purpose.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by jaredcwhite »

claudiug wrote: post #99
joeldrapper wrote: post #4

These projects were not Ruby Central’s in the first place. They were stolen for Ruby Central by a Ruby Core insider, HSBT. This is horrible news. They were stolen from André Arko, Colby Swandale, David Rodríguez, Ellen, Josef Šimánek, Martin Emde and Samuel Giddins.

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I'm sure you're not biased. I'm sure all the people applauding Ruby Central and Ruby Core right now aren't biased. /smh

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by mijoharas »

drbragg wrote: post #236
Alifatisk wrote: post #193

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I think because of this, which started this whole thing > Shopify demanded that Ruby Central take full control of the RubyGems https://joel.drapper.me/p/rubygems-takeover

This isn't true according to this article: https://www.404media.co/how-ruby-went-off-the-rails/ . Joel has a terrible habit of not citing his sources so I'm not sure if the post in question is the same but this seems to nullify that argument. TBF I do think there was pressure from Shopify to get compliance and security in order but saying "Shopify demanded that Ruby Central take full control of the RubyGems" is just…

The rubygems treasurer who is on the board said funding was conditional on doing this[0][1].

One interesting thing is that Ruby Central then said "Board decisions are independent and not contingent on funding."[2].

Doesn't inspire a lot of trust when there is a statement from a board member saying "we did this because of funding".

I'm more inclined to believe Joel's account.

[0] A deadline (which as far as I understand, we agreed to) loomed. Either Ruby Central puts controls in place to ensure the safety and stability of the infrastructure we are responsible for, or lose the funding that we use to keep those things online and going.

[1] https://apiguy.substack.com/p/a-board-members-perspective-of...

[2] https://rubycentral.org/news/our-stewardship-where-we-are-wh...

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by mijoharas »

shevy-java wrote: post #117
itsnowandnever wrote: post #31

this is good and I hope this puts a lot of the drama in the rearview mirror. younger developers coming across Ruby must be like "wtf" about this situation. very peculiar to have these projects so politicised and I say that to the people that "try and keep politics out" (DHH) more than anyone. making your politics known and then being like "but you're not allowed to have an opinion on it" is't cute or clever. it's chi…

But how does this solve anything? People will still not trust Ruby Central. And rubygems.org is under control by Ruby Central, even IF ruby core tries to jump in to the rescue.

Well, now there's gem.coop, and we don't have to worry about bundler/gem becoming hostile to other services so either:

gem.coop matures and people move to it

Or ruby central gets their crap together and regains some trust.

It's definitely a win that the tool entry point is now managed by competent people with a good track record that aren't involved in the current drama.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by ameliaquining »

bgwalter wrote: post #239
ameliaquining wrote: post #224

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Are you alleging that the screenshotted email isn't authentic? I'm only making a claim about that, not anything else.

I can't comment on any authenticity. Others here apparently dispute Andre's version, who clearly says he was on call : "As this situation occurred, I was the primary on-call. My contractual, paid responsibility to Ruby Central was to defend the RubyGems.org service against potential threats."

I'm referring to the email containing the monetization offer, not the later controversy regarding disputedly-authorized access to the AWS account.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by preisschild »

mindcrash wrote: post #288
preisschild wrote: post #281

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I know vaxry made/allowed childish & offensive comments about trans folks, but has this gotten worse? Why is he considered a full on fascist now? > Ladybird webbrowser (which is a project also run by someone considered to be a fascist) Do you mean awesomekling? Why is he considered a fascist? There are definitely actual fascists in tech (like Curtis Yarvin) which I (centrist liberal, not a tankie) fully support depla…

> Do you mean awesomekling? Why is he considered a fascist? I hope you can see this because my posts in this thread are getting attacked and downvoted. This pretty much summarizes how it started (copied from Google): https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5823666/ladybird-web-browser... (note that while the exact word never is seen in evidence added to this post but it sure is or hinted towards elsewhere.) and evidenced by…

I was on his side for the first link because I dont like people who have not contributed making PRs to change inoffensive wording either, but its unfortunate and disappointing to see him defending people like Kirk or dhh.

It should also be noted Lunduke is also not neutral and has his own political agenda.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by mijoharas »

ergocoder wrote: post #275
brightball wrote: post #83

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He's also in a bit of a unique situation because of his public political profile was essentially forced. - Politics at work were becoming a huge problem at 37Signals - They asked that politics be kept out of company chats, but encouraged people to be political active on non-work channels/social media/etc even during work hours - People lost their minds at this incredibly reasonable request which then blew up on the i…

DHH is at worst in the middle between left and right in the political spectrum. Keeping politics out of work place is like an extremely mild stance. For some reason, people label him as facist...

I don't think that's fair, I mostly thought that until I read his recent blog post[0] where he wished for fewer non-white people in London and praises a far-right fascist figure in England (Tommy Robinson, he was a member of the BNP[1] for while before he started the EDL which was more extreme).

When you're advocating for ethno-nationalism and praising fascists, I don't think you can get mad at people thinking maybe you're a little bit fascist, or can claim to be in the centre politically.

[0] https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by mijoharas »

brightball wrote: post #286
ergocoder wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DHH is at worst in the middle between left and right in the political spectrum. Keeping politics out of work place is like an extremely mild stance. For some reason, people label him as facist...

The label is meaningless now because it's been so over used. At this point a facist is anyone to the right of anarcho-communism. People still trying to use the term are labeling themselves more than anybody else.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45622861

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by mijoharas »

busterarm wrote: post #95
brightball wrote: post #83

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He's also in a bit of a unique situation because of his public political profile was essentially forced. - Politics at work were becoming a huge problem at 37Signals - They asked that politics be kept out of company chats, but encouraged people to be political active on non-work channels/social media/etc even during work hours - People lost their minds at this incredibly reasonable request which then blew up on the i…

Good summary. Also the ask for politics to be kept out of company chats is often what I find cited as the _core_ reason for why "DHH is a Nazi" in online discussions. It's _weird_. I think the real root of peoples' disagreement over what happened there is that rank-and-file employees wanted to assert a lot more control over what their company does than they actually could and they were informed that that wouldn't be…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45622861
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