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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

#191

Matz' action and tone in the announcement is impeccable. Humbling reminder of what greatness looks like.

By not addressing HOW the project ended up in RC's hands, Matz is effectively whitewashing the move.

When I see opinions like this, I run, not walk, away from the community in question.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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post #177

Since Ruby Central is still very much involved, does (or would) this have any impact on the people who left recently (like Ellen Dash/duckinator)?

seems to me they can happily go back to contributing to the tools, and at the same time ignore the fact that rubygems.org exists, by running gem.coop or whatever else.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

#193

As an outsider, I have two questions: - why is Shopify kind of hated in the comments? - what is it DHH said? Hoping for some context

I think because of this, which started this whole thing

> Shopify demanded that Ruby Central take full control of the RubyGems

https://joel.drapper.me/p/rubygems-takeover

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

#195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The broad-strokes story is: * DHH said some things on his blog that some people believe to be deeply racist / fascist (not going to unpack whether they were or not because answering that question is irrelevant to the fact pattern; consult other threads for that debate). * A Ruby conference run by Ruby Central was asked to deplatform him. Since he's the creator of Rails, they declined. * In response to their decision,…

This is missing an important part of the story that makes the Ruby Central side look relatively better, which is that one of the existing maintainers offered to help fill the funding gap in exchange for being allowed to monetize the server logs. https://rubycentral.org/news/rubygems-org-aws-root-access-ev...

That "Executive Director" (whose salary is probably safe throughout all controversies!) does not sound very credible compared to:

https://andre.arko.net/2025/10/09/the-rubygems-security-inci...

I'm only going by the corporate narrative structure of the director's post, who clearly wants to throw someone under the bus and cover up organizational incompetence. "Open" source has become so despicable.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

#196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's also in a bit of a unique situation because of his public political profile was essentially forced. - Politics at work were becoming a huge problem at 37Signals - They asked that politics be kept out of company chats, but encouraged people to be political active on non-work channels/social media/etc even during work hours - People lost their minds at this incredibly reasonable request which then blew up on the i…

I disagree. DHH said no politics at work. I thought that was great. A sensible moderate position at a time where people were getting polarised. Then he started a blog, built on his companies software, where he constantly shares extreme political opinions. When you are the public face of a company (and framework) and you are publishing your political opinions using your companies platform, you are now bringing politic…

right, that's exactly what he did. "politics for me but not for thee"

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

#197

These projects were not Ruby Central’s in the first place. They were stolen for Ruby Central by a Ruby Core insider, HSBT. This is horrible news. They were stolen from André Arko, Colby Swandale, David Rodríguez, Ellen, Josef Šimánek, Martin Emde and Samuel Giddins.

They did not WRITE RubyGems, they inherited it and evolved it. Chad, David, Jim (RIP), Paul and I wrote RubyGems. I hosted RubyGems from my home in Virginia for several years before we could cover the cost of colocation and stood up RubyForge. Its nice to look at the near history and think that this is all of history but it is not. Ruby Central has always been the stewards of RubyGems and then later, Bundler.

Get this: I've used what you guys built back then almost every day for the past 20 years. (also, long time no see - we should catch up).

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

#198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The broad-strokes story is: * DHH said some things on his blog that some people believe to be deeply racist / fascist (not going to unpack whether they were or not because answering that question is irrelevant to the fact pattern; consult other threads for that debate). * A Ruby conference run by Ruby Central was asked to deplatform him. Since he's the creator of Rails, they declined. * In response to their decision,…

It's news to me that the RubyCentral event had anything to do with DHH at least directly. You are alleging that Shopify was retaliating. Do you have any reliable context that Shopify was acting in a retaliatory manner?

I don't have any signal one way or the other on whether Shopify retaliated; the fact DHH is on their board I learned from this thread.

I have seen the "soft-hostile takeover" executed in other contexts, however. I don't think it's necessary to presume DHH used his influence as a Shopify board member to seal the deal or that he would have ulterior motive in doing so; in my experience, it's sufficient for a company to see a valuable piece of a puzzle they care about go vulnerable to acquisition offers to make the offer (with the corresponding stick). I'm willing to be convinced otherwise in either direction if more information presents itself; all I know is that Shopify put the offer on the table "We'll back-fill your funding gap or we'll make it much worse; your call." And I've seen that offer made in a completely capitalism-red-in-tooth-and-claw "business is business" way in the past.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

#199

There are numerous questions here, but also a few answers. For instance, I pointed out days ago that Hiroshi Shibata did not act solo. Now this is confirmed - it was a matz directive. The main question to ask here is: could he not have made this open AND public from the get go? It would have lessened the confusion for some people. Unfortunately this also has a few added problems now, because ... say that you are an i…

> like the rising phoenix

Speaking of Phoenixes this whole debacle made me start diving into Elixir/Phoenix. My first impression is that I much prefer Ruby as a language, however I'm struggling to even think of using Rails currently.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The broad-strokes story is: * DHH said some things on his blog that some people believe to be deeply racist / fascist (not going to unpack whether they were or not because answering that question is irrelevant to the fact pattern; consult other threads for that debate). * A Ruby conference run by Ruby Central was asked to deplatform him. Since he's the creator of Rails, they declined. * In response to their decision,…

If only the drama stopped there: * DHH is not only considered racist / fascist due to some blog posts, but also for making Hyprland the default DE in Omarchy, developed by someone who goes by the name Vaxry Vaxerski, who is also considered fascist and racist, and thus banned from contributing to freedesktop projects due to supposed breach of CoC: https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-fdo-and-redhat * Hyprland and all…

> I want to hop in a time machine back to the 90s/early 00s before all this crap started and everybody was just generally nice to each other.

The internet was never nice. It, however, did at one time require technical savvy to use. With that savvy came the understanding that computers and people aren't the same thing, so when the computer emitted something not nice you'd laughed at how quant the technology was instead of getting your emotions all tied up in a knot and try to hold a person accountable like those who have no idea about what's going on around them do.

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