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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by brightball »

basisword wrote: post #175
brightball wrote: post #83

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He's also in a bit of a unique situation because of his public political profile was essentially forced. - Politics at work were becoming a huge problem at 37Signals - They asked that politics be kept out of company chats, but encouraged people to be political active on non-work channels/social media/etc even during work hours - People lost their minds at this incredibly reasonable request which then blew up on the i…

I disagree. DHH said no politics at work. I thought that was great. A sensible moderate position at a time where people were getting polarised. Then he started a blog, built on his companies software, where he constantly shares extreme political opinions. When you are the public face of a company (and framework) and you are publishing your political opinions using your companies platform, you are now bringing politic…

That is the point though, his hand was forced. He was very politically attacked in a very public manner and has spoken out nonstop ever since.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by queenkjuul »

mindcrash wrote: post #182
shadowgovt wrote: post #57

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The broad-strokes story is: * DHH said some things on his blog that some people believe to be deeply racist / fascist (not going to unpack whether they were or not because answering that question is irrelevant to the fact pattern; consult other threads for that debate). * A Ruby conference run by Ruby Central was asked to deplatform him. Since he's the creator of Rails, they declined. * In response to their decision,…

If only the drama stopped there: * DHH is not only considered racist / fascist due to some blog posts, but also for making Hyprland the default DE in Omarchy, developed by someone who goes by the name Vaxry Vaxerski, who is also considered fascist and racist, and thus banned from contributing to freedesktop projects due to supposed breach of CoC: https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-fdo-and-redhat * Hyprland and all…

Oh people were getting cancelled in the 90s and 00s

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by unethical_ban »

blibble wrote: post #170
brightball wrote: post #83

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He's also in a bit of a unique situation because of his public political profile was essentially forced. - Politics at work were becoming a huge problem at 37Signals - They asked that politics be kept out of company chats, but encouraged people to be political active on non-work channels/social media/etc even during work hours - People lost their minds at this incredibly reasonable request which then blew up on the i…

I more or less agree with the "no politics at work" stance but you've omitted his recent "contributions", where he went completely off the rails have a read of this https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 it's completely unacceptable, and he's promoting a self proclaimed fascist white nationalist (Tommy Robinson)

(political opinion incoming)

Other than his mention of Tommy Robinson, it is not radical or unacceptable to say "Wow, my city has changed radically in the past 20 years and is losing its identity".

If the center and the left completely reject the validity of national identity and the expectation of immigrant integration to British identity, then you leave people with those sentiments running into the only open arms left: the far-right and the rest of their agenda.

As a liberal, even a progressive in my own mind, I still recognize that completely open borders are a problem and that we should expect all people coming to a country to want to learn the language and integrate with the native community and customs. This concept is compatible with respecting cultural diversity and immigrant populations and their civil rights.

And the UK really seems to have a free speech problem. Support Palestine too much? Jail. Support immigration controls too much? Believe or not, jail.

FINALLY - I don't see how this kind of hard-fork-over-politics maneuver helps change minds in the long run. It only generates bitterness.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by ameliaquining »

bgwalter wrote: post #195
ameliaquining wrote: post #87

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This is missing an important part of the story that makes the Ruby Central side look relatively better, which is that one of the existing maintainers offered to help fill the funding gap in exchange for being allowed to monetize the server logs. https://rubycentral.org/news/rubygems-org-aws-root-access-ev...

That "Executive Director" (whose salary is probably safe throughout all controversies!) does not sound very credible compared to: https://andre.arko.net/2025/10/09/the-rubygems-security-inci... I'm only going by the corporate narrative structure of the director's post, who clearly wants to throw someone under the bus and cover up organizational incompetence. "Open" source has become so despicable.

Are you alleging that the screenshotted email isn't authentic? I'm only making a claim about that, not anything else.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by kingnothing »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #215

Other than personal preference, are there any features that make Ruby worth considering for new apps? As a user, my experience with gems hasn't been great. I don't know any Ruby, I'm just asking out of curiosity.

I've used Ruby off and on since the hype train started with DHH's early videos showing how easily you can make a blog in Rails. Oof, that was published 20 years ago! I wouldn't use it for anything beyond simple shell scripts these days. You're better off with Go for back-end work.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by linhns »

xg19837 wrote: post #98
shevy-java wrote: post #77

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Stepping up how? It was always clear that Hiroshi Shibata didn't act solo without approval. I am not saying he knew the outcome before that, but WHEN was the decision made to take over gems + bundler? I have a slight suspicion that this may have been decided upon months ago already. > As a Japanese developer, I’ve been worried about the direction things were going, so it’s reassuring to see this. I am actually much m…

Yes. At least Ruby was always strongly Japanese though. In Python European and Asian developers are overtly exploited, with U.S. corporations and their employed stooges holding the reins of power. I'm considering switching to Erlang, which was developed at a corporation from the start and appears to be drama and cancel free.

Ericsson is drama free?

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Post by blasphemers »

mring33621 wrote: post #85
mring33621 wrote: post #72

NGL, the drama is entertaining. I'm sorry for Ruby people that are negatively impacted, tho. Lastly, Matz is the best!

So this whole thing stems from a dislike of DHH? It also seems like rubygems.org could simply fork the rubygems code, perform whatever 'security and governance' changes they believed were needed in their fork, and run with that? Isn't that the open source way of handling disagreements in direction?

Isn't rubygems distributed as part of Ruby

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Post by 9rx »

shadowgovt wrote: post #219
9rx wrote: post #200

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> I want to hop in a time machine back to the 90s/early 00s before all this crap started and everybody was just generally nice to each other. The internet was never nice. It, however, did at one time require technical savvy to use. With that savvy came the understanding that computers and people aren't the same thing, so when the computer emitted something not nice you'd laughed at how quant the technology was instea…

It turns out "the words the person are saying aren't the person" turned out to be a polite fiction as people who had been saying awful things for years online turned out to go on to act on those ideas. We tried "Don't feed the trolls." It's how we got where we are now.

People have always acted upon their (awful) ideas. In fact, the internet (DARPANET) itself was created as a tool to help combat exactly that. However, that is completely independent from what is emitted from a computer screen. To try to somehow bind them together is logically incoherent. Which technically-minded folks understand, but now that the technology has become so accessible that anyone can use it...

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by krmbzds »

didip wrote: post #212

How’s th adoption and usage situation for Ruby these days? Is Ruby ecosystem doing well?

Alive and well. I write Ruby every day and enjoy doing so. It's the only thing that consistently got better for me in the last 10+ years without losing it's simplicity and joy. Ruby is truly a programmer's best friend.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by sam0x17 »

shevy-java wrote: post #80
delichon wrote: post #3

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Matz is a pillar. Remember "Matz is nice and so we are nice"? s/nice/nice and responsible/gc.

Is that a religion now? The pickaxe guys coined it. People repeat it without thinking about it. If matz were to say "jump from the bridge", people would do it, because matz is nice? Just to point out: I do think matz is nice and a great language designer. That in itself doesn't mean anything. Why would I proxy my own decisions based on any mindless slogan? That makes no sense. Why do people in the ruby ecosystem keep…

It affirms that being nice is a role model / thing we want to do in the Ruby community
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