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Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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throwaway_1928 wrote: post #79
thway_nohitler wrote: post #27

This is very sad to see, and makes me really worry about the people who got their names handed to the police. The current jingoistic BJP regime is doing all sorts of authoratarian things in India, like demolishing housing for merely taking part in protests [0]. They have also used facial recognition techniques to identify mere protesters and punish them severely [1]. They put a doctor in jail for saving lives of kids…

Referencing the BBC and the Wire here is the equivalent of quoting the WaPo when discussing Trump.

presumably you, throwaway_1928, have a personal problem with both, but are not willing to share it

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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slake wrote: post #284
flak48 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's another comment providing more context; Razorpay is facing flak from some folks because it gave up transaction/donor data for a journalist's company. (Razorpay is the payment provider for the journalist's company AltNews) The India government is actually trying their best to persecute the journalist (Mohd. Zubair) and putting pressure on Razorpay to get to AltNews/Zubair. (The govt. is trying to insinuate tha…

Umm. Only it's not an allegation anymore. The 'journalist' in question already admitted to receiving foreign donations without having the necessary compliance registrations in place. This is also leaving out the part that this 'journalist' doctored a video about a person and posted it that is causing islamists to give the person beheading threats. 2 people who supported her have already been beheaded. This 'journalis…

did they fill out their 27B-6 forms for the donations?

as for the allegations, I have not seen anything about the video encouraging killing, but have seen lots of coverage of the Indian government looking away from, or participating in, threats and actual violence against non-Hindi Indian citizens

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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throwaway_1928 wrote: post #279
random_ind_dude wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit more context: The Gyanvapi mosque is older than the United States and the current controversy has been stirred up by Hindu nationalists targeting India's Muslim minority. Nupur Sharma's statements created an international controversy for India with several Gulf countries demanding a public apology from India. Zubair was arrested within days of a complaint being raised on a tweet he made in 2018, while Nupur Sha…

The original comment provides more factual context than yours: > current controversy has been stirred up by Hindu nationalists targeting India's Muslim minority This is just an opinion. And no mention of the ISIS-style executions carried out by the 'Muslim minority'? > The Gyanvapi mosque is older than the United States What is your point? The Hindu temple it was built over is older than the Islamic religion. > Zubai…

>Zubair was arrested for rumor mongering to disrupt harmony between religions, which is a crime in India.

I have not seen many arrests of those doing so regarding Islam, does the law only protect the Hindu religion?

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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web108 wrote: post #208

The OP is not telling the complete story and maligning RazorPay and the current Indian government. Such one-sided posts do not belong here. This co-founder of AltNews has been habitually mocking the Hindu deities and would delete his offending posts whenever caught. His position on religion can be summed up below: If you mock my God, I will ensure that you face the maximum repercussions possible. However, if I mock y…

I have not seen the government official who mocked a God (Nupur) face "the maximum repercussions possible" for doing so

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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throwaway_1928 wrote: post #281
thealig wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "majority" of Indians watch and read from a small set of media outlets, most of them biased pro-government news media which feed only news showing the Indian government and authorities in a positive light while completely leaving out their problems. Basically, news confirming their biases. Critical journalism is pretty much marginal and niche - these outlets are fewer because there are very little incentives. The…

> There are a few like NDTV and Dainik bhaskar, who routinely face sanctions by governmental bodies for not sticking to the governmental narrative. The founder of NDTV is a communist, his sister in law and her husband are members of the 'politburo' of one of the communist parties in India [1]. NDTV is effectively a mouthpiece of the left-wing Congress and Communist parties of India. [1] https://www.freepressjournal.i…

Think you're missing the point, its about a healthy environment where having multiple viewpoints (including criticism of the government regardless of ruling political coalition) are expressed through journalism and other media which is simply not present in india.

state and central governments have massive influence over what discourse is encouraged and it usually sways towards what their political agenda and inclinations are while opposing beliefs and ideas are sanctioned or put down though state apparatus (police forces , executive orders etc). free flow of information is suppressed when it doesnt favour certain viewpoints.

in a similar manner, blind deference towards the government is encouraged and criticism is punished, you can trace the track record of Indian government (sedition and anti national laws for examples) with this regard going back decades.

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throwaway_62022 wrote: post #189
shaan7 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah its only "sort of" authoritarian, in most regions you can live quite a free life. The cases where it becomes authoritarian is when it comes to religion and criticism of the government. This is the reason that the majority of the population does not even believe in issues that exist (social, political, ecological or otherwise).

As I mentioned above - criticism of any kind of religion can get you in trouble in India[1][2]. But we should not lump that with criticism of government. Do you have any examples, where someone was arrested for simply criticising govt actions? 1. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/editor-arreste... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weeping_crucifix_in_Mumbai

>Do you have any examples, where someone was arrested for simply criticising govt actions?

Muslim citizens of India being arrested for criticizing the government's action of insulting their religion

One even had their family home demolished without any due process as revenge for criticizing the government

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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snambi wrote: post #219
kalimanzaro wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An autocracy of the majority, for the majority, by the majority.

There is a name for it, democracy.

democracy is orthogonal to what the person you replied to said, as not all democracies devolve into such authoritarianism

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web108 wrote: post #270
thealig wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "majority" of Indians watch and read from a small set of media outlets, most of them biased pro-government news media which feed only news showing the Indian government and authorities in a positive light while completely leaving out their problems. Basically, news confirming their biases. Critical journalism is pretty much marginal and niche - these outlets are fewer because there are very little incentives. The…

There is one thing common among Indian left-wingers and right-wingers. Both of them thinks the other wing is a frog-in-the-well.

not really what i was trying to say, read the other reply in the thread. the political affiliations are not quite relevant (to some degree) as far as working and relationship between government and state apparatus and journalistic outlets are concerned.

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achow wrote: post #205
eldaisfish wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India has a very effective and fair electoral system, that's about it. The other branches and foundations of a liberal democracy are either a sham or crumbling in India. Minorities are routinely targeted, court judgments are filled with personal opinions... i could go on. The mere existence of a voting system does not a full democracy make. Remember, Russia also has "elections".

> Minorities are routinely targeted.. > court judgments are filled with personal opinions.. Sounds like another country that we know of.

yes, India

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by throwaway_9120 »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #294
web108 wrote: post #208

The OP is not telling the complete story and maligning RazorPay and the current Indian government. Such one-sided posts do not belong here. This co-founder of AltNews has been habitually mocking the Hindu deities and would delete his offending posts whenever caught. His position on religion can be summed up below: If you mock my God, I will ensure that you face the maximum repercussions possible. However, if I mock y…

I have not seen the government official who mocked a God (Nupur) face "the maximum repercussions possible" for doing so

There are real threats to her life. She has been suspended from the party. In the last 1 month, the radical Muslims have already beheaded [1][2] two Hindus for sharing Nupur's comments. Every other week there is a video [3] from a radical Muslim clamoring for her blood.

What more repercussions you want for the lady?

[1] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/udaipur/udaipur-tai... [2] https://www.india.com/maharashtra/week-before-udaipur-behead... [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctBA12KlSAo

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