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Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by sneak »

O__________O wrote: post #16
sneak wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple chose not-jail and not-ban when faced with the requirement that all iCloud users in China be subject to realtime CCP surveillance. Apple's iCloud operations in China (required under Chinese law for Chinese users) are in CCP-controlled datacenters. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-ce... Then they did it again in the USA, preserving a backdoor in the end-to-end crypto of iMessage for the…

What Apple does publicly and privately are not the same thing, and if anything, Apple has a track record of not removing loopholes that would reduce the surface area available for secret agreements and/or orders; for example, iCloud being able to view data. Related: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter

iCloud Backup is not end to end encrypted and is readable by Apple. Same again for iCloud Photos. The Apple-readable iCloud Backup contains the keys for your iMessages, which means Apple can read those in realtime as they transit the servers (due to relaying the ciphertext, and having the keys from the non-e2e backup).

Even if you disable iCloud Backup, everyone else you iMessage with will back up all your iMessages from the other end, because it is on by default.

The idea that Apple can't read your data is mostly false. They can see all your photos and read all your chats, and all of the other files and app data from your device. They can do this without your device or password at any time.

They do this for the US government without a search warrant to over 30,000 user accounts per year, per their own transparency report.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by [deleted] »

anovikov wrote: post #17
ghoomketu wrote: post #4

While I have no sympathy for razorpay but I'd just like to point out that laws in India are much more heavy handed than a country like US. People are thrown in jail for social media posts and sometimes just for liking a social media post(1) Twitter has been having a very hard time operating in India too(2) and routinely censoring stuff so while IANAL just remember that things are very different in different parts of…

And this is billed as "world's largest democracy". Wtf is the bullshit we are made to believe? Why don't we just stop pretending and relabel most "democratic" countries as just "pro-Westnern"?

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Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by dragonwriter »

anovikov wrote: post #17
ghoomketu wrote: post #4

While I have no sympathy for razorpay but I'd just like to point out that laws in India are much more heavy handed than a country like US. People are thrown in jail for social media posts and sometimes just for liking a social media post(1) Twitter has been having a very hard time operating in India too(2) and routinely censoring stuff so while IANAL just remember that things are very different in different parts of…

And this is billed as "world's largest democracy". Wtf is the bullshit we are made to believe? Why don't we just stop pretending and relabel most "democratic" countries as just "pro-Westnern"?

> And this is billed as "world's largest democracy". Wtf is the bullshit we are made to believe? Why don't we just stop pretending and relabel most "democratic" countries as just "pro-Westnern"?

India is not pro-Western, and none of those things upthread are inconsistent with democracy. They are illiberal, perhaps, but not all democracy is liberal democracy.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by kasey_junk »

anovikov wrote: post #17
ghoomketu wrote: post #4

While I have no sympathy for razorpay but I'd just like to point out that laws in India are much more heavy handed than a country like US. People are thrown in jail for social media posts and sometimes just for liking a social media post(1) Twitter has been having a very hard time operating in India too(2) and routinely censoring stuff so while IANAL just remember that things are very different in different parts of…

And this is billed as "world's largest democracy". Wtf is the bullshit we are made to believe? Why don't we just stop pretending and relabel most "democratic" countries as just "pro-Westnern"?

India is pretty decidedly not pro Western and hasn’t been since independence.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by parsimo2010 »

RicoElectrico wrote: post #18
ghoomketu wrote: post #4

While I have no sympathy for razorpay but I'd just like to point out that laws in India are much more heavy handed than a country like US. People are thrown in jail for social media posts and sometimes just for liking a social media post(1) Twitter has been having a very hard time operating in India too(2) and routinely censoring stuff so while IANAL just remember that things are very different in different parts of…

India is weird. It's not really called authoritarian (rankings don't classify it as such), but there are many similar stories of government dysfunction and overreach. Maybe someone else has a word for them?

Corrupt is an appropriate word for this kind of behavior. The government does not officially condone the behavior, and it would probably function well if the policies were followed as written. But instead people get some power and abuse it. India is not unique, many countries struggle with corruption.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by thway_nohitler »

This is very sad to see, and makes me really worry about the people who got their names handed to the police.

The current jingoistic BJP regime is doing all sorts of authoratarian things in India, like demolishing housing for merely taking part in protests [0].

They have also used facial recognition techniques to identify mere protesters and punish them severely [1].

They put a doctor in jail for saving lives of kids by paying for oxygen out of his own pocket, because he publicized those already dead [2].

I am seriously worried about what will happen to the people whose names were in the donors' list.

Will they be arrested, be put on some sort of shitlist and their lives will be made full of problems because they dared to fund a company that merely fact-check the lies spread by the IT cell of the ruling party?

Note that, the tweet is a mere screenshot of a movie from 1983. The director or the producer of the movie aren’t touched. But sharing the screenshot unedited put him in jail [3]. It is also a major factor that he has an Arabic name.

[0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-india-61785275

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-citizenship-protest...

[2]: https://www.freepressjournal.in/india/explained-who-is-dr-ka...

[3]: https://m.thewire.in/article/communalism/kissi-se-na-kehna-m...

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by ethbr0 »

RicoElectrico wrote: post #18
ghoomketu wrote: post #4

While I have no sympathy for razorpay but I'd just like to point out that laws in India are much more heavy handed than a country like US. People are thrown in jail for social media posts and sometimes just for liking a social media post(1) Twitter has been having a very hard time operating in India too(2) and routinely censoring stuff so while IANAL just remember that things are very different in different parts of…

India is weird. It's not really called authoritarian (rankings don't classify it as such), but there are many similar stories of government dysfunction and overreach. Maybe someone else has a word for them?

A lack of rule of law? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by hans1729 »

thway_nohitler wrote: post #27

This is very sad to see, and makes me really worry about the people who got their names handed to the police. The current jingoistic BJP regime is doing all sorts of authoratarian things in India, like demolishing housing for merely taking part in protests [0]. They have also used facial recognition techniques to identify mere protesters and punish them severely [1]. They put a doctor in jail for saving lives of kids…

fyi, I get a `page not found` for [3].

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by shaan7 »

RicoElectrico wrote: post #18
ghoomketu wrote: post #4

While I have no sympathy for razorpay but I'd just like to point out that laws in India are much more heavy handed than a country like US. People are thrown in jail for social media posts and sometimes just for liking a social media post(1) Twitter has been having a very hard time operating in India too(2) and routinely censoring stuff so while IANAL just remember that things are very different in different parts of…

India is weird. It's not really called authoritarian (rankings don't classify it as such), but there are many similar stories of government dysfunction and overreach. Maybe someone else has a word for them?

Yeah its only "sort of" authoritarian, in most regions you can live quite a free life.

The cases where it becomes authoritarian is when it comes to religion and criticism of the government. This is the reason that the majority of the population does not even believe in issues that exist (social, political, ecological or otherwise).

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