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One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by NoOn3 »

stickfigure wrote: post #221
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? Imagine an alternate universe where Canada and USA went to war. Do you really think that people in Seattle would have to depend on German social media apps to figure out what goes on in Vancouver while it's being bombed? Seriously?

If, in this alternate universe, Americans have no free press and live in fear of men with guns showing up on their doorstep and hauling them away, then - sure? Where else would they get news?

It's a very little free press in US...Inconvenient people for the authorities have almost no chance of getting on TV.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by PolandKid »

KarlKemp wrote: post #279
qiskit wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The BBC funding is primarily through TV licensing fees, so it's essentially an optional tax. That's a long-winded and highly convoluted way of saying government funded. You have to admire the BBC. They've done such a good job brainwashing people that they jump through all kinds of hoops to hide the fact that the BBC is government funded state propaganda. BBC is what RT aspires to be one day.

No, see, that's but one example of how your unwillingness or inability to accept any complexity or nuance gets in the way of thinking. The TV license system is set up specifically so that the institution is somewhat isolated from day-to-day politics. It's a completely different situation if the PM can decide on a whim to fund you or not, or if there's a difficult-to-change law that sets the fees that you get for a de…

The amount of "whataboutism" and bothsidism when it comes to the comment section of any Western outlet (here included) is pretty wild. I would say this 2 month old account you're replying to is a great example of the typical output of such accounts.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

NoOn3 wrote: post #291
stickfigure wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If, in this alternate universe, Americans have no free press and live in fear of men with guns showing up on their doorstep and hauling them away, then - sure? Where else would they get news?

It's a very little free press in US...Inconvenient people for the authorities have almost no chance of getting on TV.

Look at CNN while Trump was president, or Fox while Biden is. Inconvenient people for the authorities are on US TV daily.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by NoOn3 »

Symbiote wrote: post #241
d0mine wrote: post #231

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unrelated: could you name one just one US media source that you consider to be independent (with an anti-war article where US is perpetrator).

You have changed the question. Russia has banned foreign media, in addition to restricting local media to publishing the government view. Since I'm British, and you'd probably consider the US and UK equivalent for this purpose, here's a major British newspaper article arguing against NATO action in Libya: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/mar/23/nothin... (Given https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_US…

I understand that Russian ban of foreign media is not good, but some west countries banned Russian media too and created special difficulties for them early...

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by [deleted] »

NoOn3 wrote: post #294
Symbiote wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have changed the question. Russia has banned foreign media, in addition to restricting local media to publishing the government view. Since I'm British, and you'd probably consider the US and UK equivalent for this purpose, here's a major British newspaper article arguing against NATO action in Libya: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/mar/23/nothin... (Given https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_US…

I understand that Russian ban of foreign media is not good, but some west countries banned Russian media too and created special difficulties for them early...

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by qaq »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #283
qaq wrote: post #159

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China has being pushing Russian narratives on the war internally in state media. So I think you might be disproving the "is not a tool for China" part.

I think the assumption was that it spies on users or does something more interesting that just pedestrial propaganda

The fact is it's verifiably used as a propaganda tool increases the chance it's used for other "special" needs too.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by rackjack »

older wrote: post #281
ShivShankaran wrote: post #264

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With the fog of war there has been more embellishments coming out of Ukraine than Russia. The tank running over, Ghost of kiev, shopping mall fiasco, snake island deaths, russian death squad (turned out to be ukranian border guards) , ukraine claiming russians bombed babi yar.... Even with maternity hospital bombing, the women in photographs said that the Ukranian army had occupied the hospital and forced them out of…

What is all this random stuff you have written here has to do with the fact that the other poster lied about twitter not allowing russian propaganda?

It doesn't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30664769

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30763209

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30763216

Look at the author.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by NoOn3 »

alex-ant wrote: post #160
cabirum wrote: post #152

Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are blocked in Russia because they only allow pro-Ukraine narrative. The social platforms became weapons in this war. Anyone noticed they blocked accounts of most Russian media companies and news sources? Or users with "wrong" opinions are being shadow banned? Or Google deprioritised or excluded some Russian gov services (even non news)? Sorry, but unbiased sources do not exist. Free…

Currently Russia doesn't have a singe reliable news source. We all have seen the pro-Russian narrative - there's no war, we're not murdering the civilians, all Ukrainians are nazis developing bioweapons targeting "slav DNA" and to be delivered across the border by birds, etc. Those are not news. Needless to say that this propaganda also targets people in other countries with large ethnical Russian population, specifi…

https://www.rbc.ru/ and RBC tv channel maybe called somewhat like independent source... But reliable news source on tv does not existed at all on almost all TV channels in all countries, they all promote profitable to them point of view... Only if you watch different sources you may try to imagine something close to reality.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by sjg007 »

jl6 wrote: post #124
toxik wrote: post #24

The dream of the internet as some sort of great democratizing force is already dead and buried, but for any who still believes, this must surely be the final nail in that coffin. Controlling the narrative is only a problem for existing democracies with press freedom. All bets are off once the threat model includes control of the media. So cherish your freedom of speech, and exercise and defend it. I don’t know what t…

The issue is that despite the internet appearing to be an infinite sea of nodes that can all participate in a global village, the reality is that “the media” is the very finite set of nodes that have control of users’ attention. We’re surely all guilty of facilitating this. Forget the global village of a billion voices - the number of news sources I regularly read isn’t even dozens. Anybody can still put up a web ser…

We can surely build apps and devices to enable the see of a billion voices. After all everyone now has a computer in their pocket connected to the internet.
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