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Around a certain age one's tolerance for such bullshit goes to zero. Discord, slack, et al would be doing the world a great service if their tools had notifications etc SWITCHED OFF BY DEFAULT so that they don't disturb other people in the same room as the user. Such notifications are designed to break your concentration / get your attention, but they have the toxic side-effect of polluting the environment of other p…
Discord is a black hole for information
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>what they abusively call a "server" It's modeled off of IRC / Mumble / TS / Vent terminology. A server is home to many channels which one can join.
In IRC terminology that was a "network", not a "server"; multiple servers worked together as part of a network (which might have only had a single server in the degenerate case) to create a unified channel namespace and it didn't matter which server you used (and yes, I know that at some point server-local channels were added as a thing using ##, but despite using IRC for a quarter of a century I never once saw anyon…
Discord's selling point isn't really being a "better IRC", it's the voice chat. It's a better TS/Mumble/Ventrillo. Low-latency, decent audio quality, push-to-talk or an actually functioning level detection, with an easy to use interface. It's "Chat for Gamers" for a reason, not "IRC with history".
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But that IRC archive was written by a bot, not the server(s). Adding a bot to Discord is just as easy.
Seems not so easy as the oss project owners I asked to do that had no idea how. That would make life better indeed.
From there it's no longer a Discord problem, as you just need to export that data somewhere. There's bots which already partialy do this. There's bots that log edits & deletes for moderators to review and bots like TicketTool (https://tickettool.xyz/) let you create special one-off channels (tickets) that you can export to html on closure too.
Re: Discord is a black hole for information
#294What is strange about Discord is this great discrepancy between the ones that love it and the ones that hate it. If I were to guess on the reason of why that might be it would be that Discord is probably really good for the people that are constantly on it, and don't really miss any communication going in. These people have probably been there for some time so they don't feel the problem of not knowing where the past…
In my experience discord servers will scale up to about about 20 people at most. I don't think that's the use case model discord is trying to push, but I think there's a large long tail of small friends-only discord servers in the order of 3-20 people. Within those parameters discord does work well. Nothing else has the necessary creature comforts (by default). I think most of my friends have misgivings about discord…
Re: Discord is a black hole for information
#295Funnily enough, neither are electronic mailing lists. Great effort was required to publish them for search crawlers. Electronic mail is fundamentally private communication.
Discord is a chat app for chatting with your buddies, privately. Private conversations? Remember those.
The issue here isn't that Discord is bad at its job. The issue is that it's a highly attractive, lightweight, easy to use platform.
There's simply no platform of equivalent pedigree for kicking off an indexable internet discussion community. Maybe Reddit is the closest. For all the complaints of end users, if you're trying to administer a community Discord is head and shoulders.
In the end, if you want an equivalent indexable discussion platform, make one.
And make it with more attractive features than Discord. There's lots of unattractive platforms already.
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I love Discord because people were jerks on forums and they are nice on Discord. Something about knowing this flame war is for the permanent record (and the fact it keeps getting bumped) just seems to drive people off the deep end.
My experience is exactly opposite. People seem to go to war when they know that the conversation will just be lost over time.
if anybody wants, then he can save it easily
also forums tend to be as anonymous as discord, so idk.
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In my experience discord servers will scale up to about about 20 people at most. I don't think that's the use case model discord is trying to push, but I think there's a large long tail of small friends-only discord servers in the order of 3-20 people. Within those parameters discord does work well. Nothing else has the necessary creature comforts (by default). I think most of my friends have misgivings about discord…
About half of the Discord servers I have joined completely stalled and became ghost towns; when they did I deleted them. The bigger ones, while thriving, have huge numbers of users but are terrible for finding information that the org they represent needs to retain.
Seems fairly simple to perform simple keyword searching, just like Slack.
Re: Discord is a black hole for information
#298What is strange about Discord is this great discrepancy between the ones that love it and the ones that hate it. If I were to guess on the reason of why that might be it would be that Discord is probably really good for the people that are constantly on it, and don't really miss any communication going in. These people have probably been there for some time so they don't feel the problem of not knowing where the past…
Not really, people despise it for other reasons. I.e. how bloated and sketchy their privacy practices are and just how invasive it is.
Re: Discord is a black hole for information
#299What is strange about Discord is this great discrepancy between the ones that love it and the ones that hate it. If I were to guess on the reason of why that might be it would be that Discord is probably really good for the people that are constantly on it, and don't really miss any communication going in. These people have probably been there for some time so they don't feel the problem of not knowing where the past…
It seems like AI could be setup to address this. I would think it would be insanely useful. Personally, I’d rather look at an enriched summary than the original chat log in most cases. Can somebody get on this please :)
Re: Discord is a black hole for information
#300What is strange about Discord is this great discrepancy between the ones that love it and the ones that hate it. If I were to guess on the reason of why that might be it would be that Discord is probably really good for the people that are constantly on it, and don't really miss any communication going in. These people have probably been there for some time so they don't feel the problem of not knowing where the past…
I've been using IRC for decades at this point and Discord is, seemingly, a modern, proprietary version of IRC so I assumed I'd feel at home the few times I've been invited to participate on it, but in practice it was an overwhelming, rather unpleasant experience and I never stuck with it. I think the main difference is that on IRC you'd usually be invited to a specific channel and you'd slowly work your way to other…
With discord, you search for a server that interest you, for example "city xyz gamers" and then you disable all notifications unless they mention you.
Then you browse to your hearts content and turn on mass notifications for the rooms you do like to see.