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Discord is a black hole for information

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Re: Discord is a black hole for information

#111

As a maintainer of a small open source project I have to disagree. The hurdle for someone to join Discord and ask a question is much lower than signing up to a custom forum and posting there. I also love interacting with people that use my stuff. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy to see that people are actually using it. I can see the other side of course. There are a few things that are repeated questions or useful conte…

Perhaps Matrix is an option as well. It's open source and open (decentralized) - and can be indexed by search engines if you set the discussions to public Matrix can also be bridged to Discord, so you wouldn't split the community.

Indexing chat convos doesn't solve the problem in my experience. The way the discussion is structured changes completely when someone on the other end responds instantly, and unless you're willing to replay their 20 minute discussion you won't easily be able to find what you were looking for. Mix that with different conversations happening in the same channel and others chiming in halfway through and starting separate discussions and you're up for a challenge.

There's been quite a few cases where the only hit for an obscure error message I could find was some kind of Gitter chat, but I've learned to not even bother with those results.

Search engines also have trouble working with chat messages and even modern forums like Discourse. When you click a link you will have to spend significant effort trying to find the highlighted text, something that was a lot easier back in the static HTML days. You have to let Javascript do its fetches and queries to get the information supposedly found somewhere in the page, and it doesn't always load so you may need to scroll to the end to get the rest of the discussion, making "find in page" useless. Discourse tries to solve this by providing heir own control+f handler which is somehow even worse.

I understand the want for more and quicker interactivity. It's a better experience for the person writing the question or the response. This comes at a massive cost in readability and knowledge transfer, though.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

#112
post #15

I haven't made that bad an experience with Discord. I remember having an issue with Svelte and simply not finding the answer even though I thought that should be a fairly common problem (disabling SSR). There were threads on Github with the same problem but no answer, and closed. I went to Discord to ask someone there, but first search for it in the chat, and lo and behold: It was there, white on black. Maybe I was l…

If that would have been asked and resolved on a forum anyone using a search engine would be able to find the solution. Instead you have to create a discord account, install the client, join the server, agree to the server rules, search for what you want, hope you find an answer.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

#113
post #57

I agree, but it's not discord's fault. Discord is great at what it does. I find the same social issues with discord, slack, gitter, irc, matrix.org, etc. Chat may be good for the questioneer, but it's bad for search/retention. I kind of miss the prominence of phpbb.

Matrix chats can be indexed by google and other search engines if set to public.

the ones on my homeserver aren't, and searching for the domain of the homeserver shows that users are in rooms on other homeservers/networks.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

#114
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out Discourse, which is a proper, modern forum and a way better experience.

aaand it costs $100/mo vs Discord being free and everyone who joins needs to create new account per instance

You can get it cheaper if you self-host, but it still requires a VPS, which, on average, costs more than most are going to want to pay to host a forum.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

#115

Discord "won me" over the voice chat. It's just so easy to use and setup for people. I know it's a hard pill to swallow on HN but NOT everyone wants and/or can run their own TS/Mumble/Ventrilo server. That's the number 1 reason Discord became popular in gaming groups. Want voice chat for your WoW raid? 2 clicks. Going to play CSOG with your friends? Here is the voice chat channel. Discord is not perfect for sure (the…

You can get just as good voice chat on Signal, and it is miles easier to use than Discord, especially for people familiar with WhatsApp, Viber and other privacy invaders.

And all of the screenshares and embeds that Discord gets glorified over work just as well over [matrix]

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

#116

I periodically see complaints like this posted here. I wonder if I am in an information bubble. Are HN readers, a more traditional forum, biased against non-traditional fora? If nothing else, it would be hard for to post a link on HN to Discord discussion about the advantages of Discord, where, presumably, such a discussion would most likely transpire.

One can hardly describe Discord as non-traditional, since there are no new ideas on display. It’s well executed for the needs of a particular segment, that’s all.

we were doing what discord did back on AOL and msmsgs.exe!

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

#117
post #7

What is strange about Discord is this great discrepancy between the ones that love it and the ones that hate it. If I were to guess on the reason of why that might be it would be that Discord is probably really good for the people that are constantly on it, and don't really miss any communication going in. These people have probably been there for some time so they don't feel the problem of not knowing where the past…

This situation becomes obvious when you want to use the search box to retrieve old conversations. I use Discord every day, so I fall in the first category in your post. However, every time I try to find an old conversation, Discord UX and search engine make it super hard, if not downright impossible. I can feel the pain of a user who would have just arrived on the server.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

#118
post #7

What is strange about Discord is this great discrepancy between the ones that love it and the ones that hate it. If I were to guess on the reason of why that might be it would be that Discord is probably really good for the people that are constantly on it, and don't really miss any communication going in. These people have probably been there for some time so they don't feel the problem of not knowing where the past…

I love Discord because people were jerks on forums and they are nice on Discord. Something about knowing this flame war is for the permanent record (and the fact it keeps getting bumped) just seems to drive people off the deep end.

My experience is exactly opposite. People seem to go to war when they know that the conversation will just be lost over time.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

#119
post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discord itself is fine, but it needs something to write it's logs to a public html page per channel every x hours. Cannot be that hard and everyone benefits. Every chat for open source should do that as so much valuable stuff is discussed per day that no-one will write down elsewhere.... I mean that's the only thing; all (open source) projects I knew on IRC had an archive in .html which was indexed. Handy to find iss…

But that IRC archive was written by a bot, not the server(s). Adding a bot to Discord is just as easy.

Seems not so easy as the oss project owners I asked to do that had no idea how. That would make life better indeed.
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