Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

Post by kevinskii » Thu, May 27, 2021, 10:07 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #290

For years I've been saying my next car will be a Tesla, because I wanted an electric car with autopilot. A few weeks ago I got a Comma2, which runs OpenPilot, and installed it on my Honda Odyssey minivan. I've driven a Model X with autopilot, and I have to say, my minivan is just as good, if not in some cases better, than the Tesla. I'm now much less excited about getting a Tesla. Knowing that I can upgrade basically…

Post by tgaj » Thu, May 27, 2021, 10:10 PM UTC

henrikschroder wrote: post #196

Closi wrote: post #108

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> However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. I don’t think that’s true - but it certainly needs more than a couple of poor resolution cameras and some underpowered hardware powered by hype. You can see how poor the vision of these systems is by just watching a few Tesla autopilot videos and seeing cars flash into/out of recognition on the screen. The first actual self…

> I don’t think that’s true - but it certainly needs more than a couple of poor resolution cameras How would your imagined autopilot system handle traffic flaggers, construction workers with signs, or various people directing traffic with handsignals? How will your system see the difference between a police officer making hand signs that you have to obey, and some random person making hand signals? How will it solve…

Post by sneak » Thu, May 27, 2021, 10:16 PM UTC

ghoward wrote: post #96

gauravphoenix wrote: post #58

>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…

More people need to see your comment because there seems to be a belief that full self driving is just around the corner. However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. In your case, the new lane was clearly marked, which just shows how weak the system really is. Imagine if there was snow covering the lane markings. Or sunlight reflecting off of the road confuses the visio…

Post by bumby » Thu, May 27, 2021, 10:31 PM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #276

simias wrote: post #137

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There's also the very common argument (even here on HN) that it doesn't matter because "humans have plenty of accidents too". I think it's not a good rebuttal because self-driving cars will have to be orders of magnitude safer than humans if order to be successful. If I'm drunk and I decide to drive and I end up crashing into a pedestrian, then it's my own damn fault and I'll face the consequences. If a self-driving…

It doesn't make any sense to look at a situation and say "well, I could save 5 lives at no cost ... but nah". It really doesn't matter who is responsible when a self driving car kills someone. We're going to respond by making the self-driving module of the car safer whether it is responsible or not. We're putting a driver on the road who can still learn after suffering a fatal accident! This is huge, it means all par…

Post by jonplackett » Thu, May 27, 2021, 10:36 PM UTC

wpietri wrote: post #143

jonplackett wrote: post #129

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I think we still must be missing something very fundamental with the way we’re doing AI. When you look at nature and see a tiny bee or fly navigating perfectly around all sorts of obstacles, including the newspaper I’m trying to swat it with, using just that teeny tiny brain running of mili-watts of power with just compound eyes to guide it. And in 3D space not a nice flat surface. But we still can’t make a car not d…

We surely are missing a lot. But nature has picked easier problems with a fly. They are small enough to be very robust; flying into things is no problem. They're also cheap to build and incredibly numerous. Flies, well, drop like flies. If we had a similar tolerance for car crashes, existing levels of automation would be fine.