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Elon Musk’s anti-union tweet from 2018 must be deleted: U.S. labor board

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Post by aphextron »

loceng wrote: post #287

How is anyone buying into the complete false statement/propaganda that what Elon said is a threat? Has anyone commenting here even read Elon's tweet in question? "Nothing stopping Tesla team at our car plant from voting union. Could do so tmrw if they wanted. But why pay union dues & give up stock options for nothing? Our safety record is 2X better than when plant was UAW & everybody already gets healthcare." - Elon,…

>"Nothing stopping Tesla team at our car plant from voting union. Could do so tmrw if they wanted. But why pay union dues & give up stock options for nothing? Our safety record is 2X better than when plant was UAW & everybody already gets healthcare." - Elon, https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/998454539941367808

This is literally textbook union busting BS. It's been the same line for 200 years.

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Post by 411111111111111 »

capableweb wrote: post #228
shmageggy wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rarely (never?) discussed in the west I don't know, I see it talked about all the time, but nobody seems to be able to do anything about it.

> nobody seems to be able to do anything about it. Nobody seems to want to do something about it. It's easy, vote with your wallet. But since the choice is either A) help humanity by stop buying cheap consumer electronics or B) don't get any cheap consumer electronics to make your day 0.5% better, it seems we're stuck in exploiting humanity.

I tried that for a while. Some time later I found out that they source their products from the same factories and the only thing I've done is prove that marketing works if you wanna convince people to pay premiums for imaginary differences.

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Post by ksec »

golergka wrote: post #208
minism wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is this from https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/13755366054154936... ?

Honest question: what's wrong with these tweets?

I see this being downvoted.

A gentle reminder to everyone on HN, Not everyone lives in US, and even if they do not everyone is well versed in everything going on in US.

Re: Elon Musk’s anti-union tweet from 2018 must be deleted: U.S. labor board

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Post by cinntaile »

loceng wrote: post #287

How is anyone buying into the complete false statement/propaganda that what Elon said is a threat? Has anyone commenting here even read Elon's tweet in question? "Nothing stopping Tesla team at our car plant from voting union. Could do so tmrw if they wanted. But why pay union dues & give up stock options for nothing? Our safety record is 2X better than when plant was UAW & everybody already gets healthcare." - Elon,…

Why would they not get stock options? Sounds like a punishment for voting union?

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Post by pmorici »

Calling this tweet "anti-union" seems like spin. It is pointing out facts that one might want to consider before deciding to unionize. The fact that employees lose stock options when they unionize isn't so much a threat as it is a fact about how unions work because historically unions are against any kind of incentive or merit pay so they refuse options as compensation. It is a fact that UAW hasn't negotiated options as part of the pay for it's members at any of the other companies where it represents workers.

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 »

loceng wrote: post #287

How is anyone buying into the complete false statement/propaganda that what Elon said is a threat? Has anyone commenting here even read Elon's tweet in question? "Nothing stopping Tesla team at our car plant from voting union. Could do so tmrw if they wanted. But why pay union dues & give up stock options for nothing? Our safety record is 2X better than when plant was UAW & everybody already gets healthcare." - Elon,…

I think the threat is that union members wouldn't get stock options.

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Post by trixie_ »

KaiserPro wrote: post #179
aborsy wrote: post #134

Working in France completely changed my view of unions. I sure hope the horrors I saw won’t happen to Tesla.

And yet, the level of inequity in france is nowhere near as much as USA. Sure there arn't as many mega rich, but then there arn't people hundreds of thousands of people being bankrupted by medical bills either.

I thought there are 'out of pocket maximums' set by the government to avoid that? The most that individuals will have to pay out-of-pocket in 2020 is $8,200 and $16,400 for families.

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Post by andreygrehov »

pseudalopex wrote: post #215
golergka wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: what's wrong with these tweets?

The peeing in bottles thing is true. Sanders is 1% of half of Congress. Not dictator of Vermont. They lied about what Warren said.

This is the first time I hear about Amazon News account, but from a factual perspective, they are right, despite one like it or not. Sanders is indeed a powerful politician, which is what they said in the tweet. $11.75 vs. $15 is a 20% gap, which is quite a lot and is also a fact. Again, I'm looking at it purely from a factual perspective. It seems to me that the criticism mainly comes from people not liking AmazonNews being blatantly honest in their tweets and not giving a shit about political correctness. My impression is based on quickly glancing at the most recent tweets, so I could be wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

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Post by tsimionescu »

fastball wrote: post #253
tsimionescu wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is suggesting that government should enforce workers' rights to decide freely if they want to unionize. Companies routinely skirt this right by taking explicit anti-unionization efforts, and there are many firms specializing in this.

What is required for "free" decision-making?

Making sure no one is strong arming or threatening, harassing, or bribing the ones who have to make that decision, nor thought leaders among them.

Re: Elon Musk’s anti-union tweet from 2018 must be deleted: U.S. labor board

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Post by xutopia »

loceng wrote: post #287

How is anyone buying into the complete false statement/propaganda that what Elon said is a threat? Has anyone commenting here even read Elon's tweet in question? "Nothing stopping Tesla team at our car plant from voting union. Could do so tmrw if they wanted. But why pay union dues & give up stock options for nothing? Our safety record is 2X better than when plant was UAW & everybody already gets healthcare." - Elon,…

I think the devil is in the details here. Is he saying that if people unionize they don't get stock options? Why is that? Is it a threat?
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