As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting • Hacker News Board

Re: As Flow of Foreign Students Wanes, U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

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Post by sumedh » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 4:45 AM UTC

John_Cena wrote: post #288

sumedh wrote: post #173

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> The administrators blaming this on politics are most likely scapegoating for their poor planning. Couple of people I know in India right now are looking at going to Canada, Aus or NZ because they are uncertain what is going on under Trump. 5 to 10 years back almost everyone in my friend circle in India wanted to go to the US.

Is it wrong that I am hopeful for my own job prospects going forward if this is the case?

Well one might think that it would be beneficial for Americans if there is less immigration but you never know if US corporations might outsource more for to save costs.

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Post by MR4D » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 5:08 AM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #215

ForRealsies wrote: post #206

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Switzerland did wonders for Kim Jong Un.

There are other notable exceptions. Pol Pot was educated in Paris. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese elites being educated in the US did have a big role in the conversion of China to capitalism for example.

I’m not quite sure how you can call China “capitalist”. And even if you did, Nixon opened China up before people had any real ability to study in the US (at least compared to the last few decades).

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Post by sol_remmy » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 7:59 PM UTC

yedava wrote: post #269

sol_remmy wrote: post #255

This is good news. At the moment, universities are the primary gatekeepers to becoming a citizen in the U.S. Right now universities are capturing nearly 100% of the "citizenship cost" that immigrants pay start their path to becoming citizens. That is disgusting and greedy. With 100K in loans paid to the university, anyone can come to the U.S. on a student visa, make contacts with companies, and eventually become a U.…

According to the article, it was Midwest (aka "red" state) universities which have mostly benefited the most from foreign students. Also what visa allows immigrants to skip university enrolment and be directly employed in a small town small business?

> Also what visa allows immigrants to skip university enrolment and be directly employed in a small town small business?

The student visa allows one to be in the country for an indetermine amount of time (until their degree is done) and that person is free to obtain employment while enrolled in university

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Post by calvano915 » Fri, Jan 05, 2018, 6:31 AM UTC

rdtsc wrote: post #153

lewis500 wrote: post #40

There are really three different downsides to this. First, the foreign students cross-subsidize the locals' education. There are large fixed costs to running a university and these students pay way above their marginal costs. So now the universities have fewer resources; hence cutting the newspaper funding etc. Second, the foreign students increase the schools' reputations and can collaborate with the faculty. Resear…

> First, the foreign students cross-subsidize the locals' education. There are large fixed costs to running a university and these students pay way above their marginal costs. So now the universities have fewer resources; hence cutting the newspaper funding etc. Well any out-of-state student would do that not just international ones. There is a deeper problem there in that these universities perhaps simply can't affo…

Only responding to: "Well any out-of-state student would do that not just international ones."

International students rates are even higher than out of state for my state uni. So you would need a greater number of newly enrolled out of state students to make up for the reduced enrollments of international students. Additionally, international students have other required costs like health insurance, etc that may also generate revenue.

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Post by prostoalex » Fri, Jan 05, 2018, 8:00 AM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #203

prostoalex wrote: post #174

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> There are large fixed costs to running a university and these students pay way above their marginal costs. There’s a slight silver lining to this - up until now there’s been very little motivation to reduce those large fixed costs.

If you read the article, you will see a that a lot of professors in more artistic fields (and many such programs) are being shut down. I don't think that is what you want from a University.

I've read it as low-demand programs being wound down, which in one case included a CS program that happened to rely on foreign students.

But let's say from 10 artistic programs you're down to 8 or 6. Why is it a priori a bad thing?

Schools already compete on the quality of their specific programs - one applies to Berklee for music and to Berkeley for CS, but rarely the other way around. Instead of check boxing to meet some arbitrary criteria and teach anything from Aardvark anatomy to Zulu language with questionable levels of quality, the schools can double-down on programs they do best.

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Post by anon151516888 » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:04 PM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #264

sangnoir wrote: post #262

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> Daca, illegal immigrants voting, chain migration, refugees voting, PC control of public debate, leftist biased media and reporting, another 4 rounds of liberals leaving college indoctrinated into leftism I wouldn't say "indoctrinated into leftism" as much as it's outright facing malicious rejection and animus from the right. Latin-American immigrants are a natural fit for the religious right: they are more religiou…

It has always been surprising for me how much overt racism is still there in the GOP (I mean, not surprising after Bannon and Trump's election). Latin-Americans are (generally speaking) conservative, Christian, Pro-life etc. But since they're brown and speak Spanish, they were alienated by the GOP?

They may be all those things, but those things are overridden by something that the Democrats offer.

And they're voting in exactly the same way that every other group does: For their own benefit. In the case of immigrants, they vote in the interests of themselves. I.e. "brown people" as you label them.

I'd like to say I'm surprised at the double standard but I'm not. It's just another case of acceptible reverse racism against whites and western cultures which are conveniently clumped together as "white".

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Post by anon151516888 » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:16 PM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #246

anon151516888 wrote: post #221

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>"The half that is on the right is old and white. In the comings decades, they will cease to exist (apologies for sounding morbid, I'm just stating facts) and their political influence will reduce dramatically." This is precisely why Trump got elected: to stop large scale demographic manipulation on the part of the left and intelligentsia. If he doesn't solve that for the right, there won't be a second term. For him…

> This is precisely why Trump got elected: to stop large scale demographic manipulation on the part of the left and intelligentsia. If he doesn't solve that for the right, there won't be a second term. For him or for Republicans. Short of financial incentives for promoting more white-only couples (which is probably unconstitutional) to have more children, this doesn't seem like its possible. There is no "demographic…

Yeah but then why advocate for low skilled immigrants from low-IQ population pools? And why not immigrants from similar cultures? Why not select for only intelligent immigrants? There are plenty of struggling and war torn nations that are predominantly white. And plenty of educated and intelligent people of all races that I guarantee you most so called "white/GOP racists" won't mind importing, intermingling with or increasing the population of.

The demographic change can be stopped. You simply need to stop protecting, defending, subsidizing and encouraging the unproductive and uncontrolled breeding of low-quality individuals. They bring nothing but suffering to those that they bring into this life.