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Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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>Now the threat is gone Ukrainians, Georgians, Chechens and many others would disagree.

I won't touch Ukrainian and Georgian part, but Chechnya is out of context here, honestly.

Carpet bombing cities is fine then? Not a threat at all, right?

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Disclaimer: Russia is an authoritarian country and not a shining example of freedom. That being said.... If you were Russian and you'd spent the last century watching the West undercut you and try and control you at every step (for valid reasons in a lot of cases), you'd be threatened, too. They went from being a superpower to having 100 million more people than California with the same GDP, while watching their own…

>history has been exceedingly cruel to the Russian people Their leadership just doesn't/didn't value human lives very much. How about you put yourself in the shoes of people who's lives were ruined by Russian expansionism? Oh, and why should we care about their pride at all?

You're right about their leadership. But that goes for a lot of nations....and that goes for US foreign policy.

How about you put yourself in the shoes of people who's lives were ruined by Russian expansionism?

And we absolutely should. Why not do both?

Oh, and why should we care about their pride at all?

Understanding motives is very important.

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Unless you think the Russian government is filled with incompetent idiots I don't think they're incapable of understanding American resistance to the idea of war over Latvia regardless of what the President says.

> Unless you think the Russian government is filled with incompetent idiots I don't think they're incapable of understanding American resistance to the idea of war over Latvia regardless of what the President says. If one thinks that "they understand what we think anyway" then the whole idea of foreign poilicy, military posture, diplomacy is moot - it's just various mind readers knowing what everyone thinks :) Obviou…

> The only thing that is dangerous is removing that doubt - which really can only be done via a clumsy statement from one party bound by it. So long as it's guessing about the status of Article V in a Baltic crisis it's fine. All a US administration has to do is keep everyone guessing.

Trump says keeping everyone guessing is his core policy so maybe you guys see more eye-to-eye than you think.

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"The EU was primarily funded as a way to prevent Europe from being destroyed by inner conflicts again, which makes some sense after two devastating world wars that left Europe in ruins and killed millions of citizens. It's sad that this is sometimes forgotten and only emphasized by older politicians." This is such an important point. Whatever problems the EU indeed might have, its role in keeping the peace in a conti…

>>Whatever problems the EU indeed might have, its role in keeping the peace in a continent that has seen war almost uninterruptedly over the course of its history cannot be emphasized enough. I think you are confusing the EU with NATO.

No, he's right. The freedom of movement is instrumental in educating people about the other countries, and realizing that they are also normal people, not some evil zombies.

Of course it can only help with preventing incidents between member states and other cooperating actors.

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1. Just like Crimea?

Are you suggesting that "Krym is Russian teritory" in a same way "Falklands are a British territory" ? Are you suggesting that Ukraine invaded Krym and Russia had to respond? I think that is flat out wrong. I am not saying that you can't be of an opinion that invasion of Falklands was not justified and annexation of Krym was. I am just saying that these two incidents are not comparable.

A) Most Crimeans are ethnically Russians, B) The vote was ~94% to join Russia and was done in the presence of international observers (Ukraine didn't challenge the results of the election they challenged it on the basis that it was unconstitutional) and C) the invasion was a reaction to an elected president who represented their interests being deposed.

Regardless of whom you believe is correct, the Russians kinda demonstrated more respect for Democracy with respect to Crimea than the West did.

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What do you consider a "radical pro-business" agenda to be?

Deregulation, tax cuts, and anti-union legislation on a massive scale. e: Also probably cuts to social spending.

I guess I should have also mentioned privatization.

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I'd love some statistics on this - what is the proportion of immigrants who are doctors, and how does that compare to the native population (for Germany, the U.K., etc..)? How does it depend on the immigrant's country of origin? And, if the goal is to reduce medical costs - why not accept only doctors?

I'm sorry, but I'm too lazy to dig up those statistics for you. Part of the reason is that I consider your question to be fundamentally misdirected. First, I'd like to point out that medical staff form just the tip of the iceberg in terms of wage-reduction by immigrants. For example, my father in law lives in an old age home staffed almost entirely with low-wage foreigners - a mix of immigrants, migrants, what-have y…

Fleeing from countries such as Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, and Slovenia? And pretending there are only two options - let them stay forever, or gun them down at the border, is dishonest at best. We ship food half way around the world, there's no reason wealthy countries can't fund refugee camps and in general help and give aid to countries that accept refugees. This would also reduce the number of tragic drownings in the Mediterranean. But I don't see it suggested much as an option in the media...

And, are you saying the stance of governments to their people is "We need more workers - breed faster, or we'll import someone who will"? Britons are now an ethnic minority in London, but only racists would be bothered by the same taking place in their countries, I guess.

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From the article: "It needs to move toward more military integration, which means streamlining procurement. European armies use too many different weapons systems: seventeen main battle tank families compared with just one for the U.S.; 20 types of fighter planes compared with just six; and 13 kinds of air-to-air missiles compared with three." While I dont doubt there are efficiencies to be had, I feel they fail to r…

Wait wait.. Russia plainly invaded two of its neighbors, and annexes part of them. Is that just "behaving badly" in your book?

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Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Wait wait.. Russia plainly invaded two of its neighbors, and annexes part of them. Is that just "behaving badly" in your book?

Well, we pushed NATO onto the borders of Russia. I can't imagine the US would be too happy with Russian military bases on our borders.

What a nonsense. No one pushed NATO onto borders of Russia. Russian neighbors joined NATO because they have bad experience with Russia, that's all.

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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And Kosovo used to be part of Serbia. Just because a region is/was a part of your country does not mean you can do whatever you want in there.

So I guess you can do shelling and ethnic cleansing of those who don't support your desire to break away? http://www.rferl.org/a/Eyewitness_Accounts_Confirm_Shelling_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Georgians_...

Both sides committed crimes in Kosovo, you know. History rarely is as black and white as you would want it to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War#K...

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