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Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports

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Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports

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Post by 010a »

izacus wrote: post #273
Bud wrote: post #184

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You can't expect an off-brand USB-C adapter to be able to fully support DisplayPort. USB-C does not natively contain DisplayPort. Also, don't daisy-chain adapters when you don't have to. Use a USB-C to HDMI adapter. Such as this one: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av...

There is NO first party official Apple DisplayPort adapter. There actually is no first party adapter that would support 4k@60Hz officialy. It gets even more annoying since most 4K monitors made in last year will support 4k@60Hz only over DP, not HDMI. I went through 2 adapters before I got one that actually worked with the new 2016 MacBook. Which was incredibly annoying.

That's because you don't need an adapter to use DisplayPort with TB3 (on the MBP). Just purchase the correct [1] cable; the MBP implements DP as an alternate mode.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EZH7CKO/

Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports

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Post by Tempest1981 »

rsl7 wrote: post #70
amelius wrote: post #68

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> after an hour of typing, for example, going back to the old keyboard feels really, really inefficient and antiquated Isn't that just because you are used to a different keyboard now?

I've had a similar experience. the new keyboard is much better. Except I keep palming the new huge trackpad.

A friend and I were testing out the huge trackpad. It fully rejected/ignored my palms, no matter how I typed. Impressive! But it didn't reject his nearly as well.

Conclusion: it depends on the shape of your palm, or the sharpness of the heel of your hand.

Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports

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Post by Tempest1981 »

stouset wrote: post #182
JBiserkov wrote: post #130

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I'm not familiar with the activity monitor, what does 247.9% even mean?! Two cores at 100% and one at 47.9%?

This is how CPU usage has been calculated across Windows, macOS, Linux, and the BSDs practically as long as multiple cores have been a thing.

Windows? Last I checked, the max is 100%. Pegging 1 core of a Core i7 shows 25%. Probably a more consumer-friendly way to measure. But 400% sounds cooler.

Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports

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Post by jshevek »

riazrizvi wrote: post #160
krinchan wrote: post #151

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Actually it isn't precisely Apple's fault. It's the USB-IFs fault. USB 3.1 in general is a mess. The spec allows for Alternate Modes, where the port is hardwired on the Motherboard to be able to be switched to deliver DisplayPort, HDMI, MHL, Thunderbolt, and damn near anything else you can figure out how to mux over the port's pins and cheaply demux on the other end of the cable. The best part is no one will actually…

Apple is lauded for making confusing technology simple. It's not Apple's fault, it's Apple's missed opportunity and it's our high expectations of Apple that are being eroded.

Well, it is partly Apple's fault in that they chose to go completely type c only, and that they chose not to provide the right sets of clearly marked and explained adapters that would be guaranteed to work with their hardware.

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Post by Tempest1981 »

mmjaa wrote: post #99
jnbiche wrote: post #67

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The fact that Apple would ship a version of Safari that so deeply affected the battery of their newest MBP is concerning, and perhaps illustrative of why many MBP afficionados are so upset about the situation.

I wonder if its not the Touchbar that draws the battery down. Chrome doesn't seem to have as much for the Touchbar to be doing as Safari does - though Safari surely demonstrates the functionality of the Touchbar in impressive ways. When I'm not laying flat in bed (i.e. sitting at the office) I've actually used the Touchbar a few times ..

From the article:

"The 13-inch model without the Touch Bar worked for 19.5 hours in one trial but only 4.5 hours in the next."

Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports

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Post by 010a »

slantyyz wrote: post #228
dave_sullivan wrote: post #157

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"Steve never would have backed down, remove more ports!" is how that product meeting will go.

The thing that bugs me about the argument for USB-C only on the new MBPs is that the early 2011 MBPs came out while Steve Jobs was alive. That year was the first appearance of the Thunderbolt port on a Macbook Pro. You could have theoretically removed every legacy port outside of the MagSafe port and only had a bunch of TB ports to handle the I/O of peripherals. Yet Apple left the USB, FW800 (on the 15/17, maybe the…

There wouldn't have been any auxiliary advantages to switching to full TB2.

TB2/mDP can't carry power. It was physically a much larger port, which means they couldn't scale down the size of the machine. And, ultimately, mDP is a much less useful port than the universally standard USB-C.

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Post by dang »

phaed wrote: post #229

Glad you found your way out of the Apple user cognitive dissonance. Not the direction most gave gone, It's not easy to go full-retard on something like this.

Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all.

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Post by dang »

yoplait_ wrote: post #251

what a load of bollocks

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Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports

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Post by kbenson »

izacus wrote: post #273
Bud wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't expect an off-brand USB-C adapter to be able to fully support DisplayPort. USB-C does not natively contain DisplayPort. Also, don't daisy-chain adapters when you don't have to. Use a USB-C to HDMI adapter. Such as this one: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av...

There is NO first party official Apple DisplayPort adapter. There actually is no first party adapter that would support 4k@60Hz officialy. It gets even more annoying since most 4K monitors made in last year will support 4k@60Hz only over DP, not HDMI. I went through 2 adapters before I got one that actually worked with the new 2016 MacBook. Which was incredibly annoying.

I'm not sure how it compares, but I recently went 4k@60Hz with a Dell XPS 15 + docking station.(Dell WD15) + Vizio D40u-D1 (40"). That uses Displayport out of the dock, and a Plugable active DP to HDMI adapter before going into the TV as HDMI as 4k@60Hz. I find it surprising that the monitors, which likely cost 2-3 times what that TV cost ($400) don't support it over HDMI (but then again, the TV doesn't even have DP).

That said, Dell did have a USB-C dock, the TB15, which was plagued by a lot of the same things I hear about USB-C from the Macbooks with USB-C. Wifi and other components stop working intermittently, and on the dock, it flickered intermittently when connected at 4k[1]. Dell just released a new dock, the TB16, and there's a BIOS update for my XPS 15 that says it fixes some docking issues.

1: I seem to recall someone mentioning this was related to the firmware in some connected peripheral, but I'm not sure.

Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports

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Post by dang »

wildchild wrote: post #7

Because you can't cheat people forever.

Your account has a long history of posting uncivil and unsubstantive comments to Hacker News. Please don't do that. We're looking for thoughtful discussion, which I'm sure you can contribute to if you want to. If you don't want to, that's fine, but then please don't post at all.

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