what a load of bollocks
Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports
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Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports
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> If you can plug it in, it will work Unfortunately, this hasn't been my experience. As an example, I have a display-port-based Apple cinema display, and I bought this adapter to try to connect it to a new macbook pro 15": http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMEL2AM/A/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-to-thunderbolt-2-adapter The physical size of the connectors are compatible, of course; you can plug the monitor into the thunderbolt…
> As a weaker example, I have an LG 27UD88 Monitor. The USB-C connection from it works, but only carries 60W of charging "oomph," and the 15" macbook pro needs 85W of charging. So, even though the menubar icon on the mac signals that charging is happening, the battery is actually depleting over time It actually loses battery being charged @ 60W? I can't imagine the MBP 15" is actually pulling that much current over t…
> It actually loses battery being charged @ 60W?
I've seen this, very rarely, when getting power via a 27" Thunderbolt Display, and keeping multiple cores busy.
Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports
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The thing that bugs me about the argument for USB-C only on the new MBPs is that the early 2011 MBPs came out while Steve Jobs was alive. That year was the first appearance of the Thunderbolt port on a Macbook Pro. You could have theoretically removed every legacy port outside of the MagSafe port and only had a bunch of TB ports to handle the I/O of peripherals. Yet Apple left the USB, FW800 (on the 15/17, maybe the…
Jobs took medical leave January 17th, 2011.
Sure but the MBPs came out in March 2011, so the design decisions very likely happened in 2010.
Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports
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> The ports are all Thunderbolt 3 ports, which I believe by definition means they are USB 3.1 ports as well. But some devices out in the world have USB-C ports that are not Thunderbolt 3 compatible. No longer can you tell what sort of devices will work with a port by its physical shape. For instance, I have a Windows desktop machine with a single USB-C port on the back, but it's not a Thunderbolt 3 port. So while I c…
Not entirely true, as the 2016 MacBook Pro disables/blocks some Thunderbolt 3 devices that haven't been Apple-certified (apparently including any device that uses a Texas Instruments TPS65982 USB-C chip): https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/03/2016-macbook-pro-thunderbolt-...
Is the TI chip out of spec? Why is it blocked?
Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports
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Putting everything and the kitchen sink into USB-C was a mistake. I already have a horrible mess of weird cables that aren't interoperable, don't support Superspeed, have current limits, etc. USB should be one thing and one thing only; a Universal Serial Bus. Can you send video over a serial connection? Great, let's do that instead of using the same physical connector for 85 different incompatible video cable designs…
Even better, try finding a laptop that will run DisplayPort alternate mode over the USB-C port. EDIT: Or HDMI for that matter.
Apple:
12" rMB previous or current gen, 13"/15" rMBP current gen.
Other: Alienware, Dell, HP, etc all have laptops doing it. I don't have the link handy that lists ten windows laptops supporting it last Spring, but I'm sure Google can find it for you and there's likely dozens more now.
Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports
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"Steve never would have backed down, remove more ports!" is how that product meeting will go.
"The future is wireless!"
That was actually Apple's summation when it came to issues like "why not support metered connections and data use limiting?" - that they didn't feel that is a compromise they should have to make.
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Apple is lauded for making confusing technology simple. It's not Apple's fault, it's Apple's missed opportunity and it's our high expectations of Apple that are being eroded.
This! Thing is that situation with ports and adapters has never been worse, but Apple came there, wanted to be first again that will pull the plug on old technology and embrace the new one! But their execution was a miss. But anyway, my predictions are that from 2017. every Apple machine, wether it's computer or iPhone or iPad, will go down the USB-C route. Most probably next iPhone would use USB-C. And I just hope 2…
> Apple came there, wanted to be first again
Interesting point. Got me thinking about how the iPod was not the first MP3 player, and how the iPhone was not the first smartphone. I believe the philosophy was "don't be the first; be the first to get it right."
It's a little disappointing that they haven't been so magical lately.
Re: Newest MacBook Pro is the first MacBook not recommended by Consumer Reports
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Actually it isn't precisely Apple's fault. It's the USB-IFs fault. USB 3.1 in general is a mess. The spec allows for Alternate Modes, where the port is hardwired on the Motherboard to be able to be switched to deliver DisplayPort, HDMI, MHL, Thunderbolt, and damn near anything else you can figure out how to mux over the port's pins and cheaply demux on the other end of the cable. The best part is no one will actually…
Apple is lauded for making confusing technology simple. It's not Apple's fault, it's Apple's missed opportunity and it's our high expectations of Apple that are being eroded.
Yup. And they could have started by shipping a more compatible USB-C cable, instead of shipping a USB 2.0 one.