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What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #199

Surprised no one is commenting that their software has really poor usability. It may work well in providing secure certificates, but setup is a PITA and the documentation is abysmal.

Really?? I found it dead simple to use.

1. Install the app. 2. Run the certonly script, following the prompts. 3. Point the server at the certificates.

The only hitch was stopping Nginx long enough to do the domain verification. A three line bash script fixed that.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #254
post #199

Surprised no one is commenting that their software has really poor usability. It may work well in providing secure certificates, but setup is a PITA and the documentation is abysmal.

Agreed. If I remember correctly it even destroyed a site once when it was attempting to make sure their validator could reach the verification file. I just did what everyone said: "it's so easy, just run it on auto mode with apache and it'll configure your cert for you". Turned out to be a huge PITA. Recently I had to renew that site again (I've been postponing and dreading it) and looked for a different client. The…

I'm not sure I like their "we'll do it all for you" approach. It seems like there are a lot of ways to accidentally break config files. In general, I'd rather not anyone touch those without me knowing what it will do.

Fortunately, the certonly script grabs the cert and puts it in an easy location. Updating the config from there is easy enough.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #86

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> Edit: A bunch of people are saying "why not remote". I think they are in fact mostly remote, but they still have to compete with SV wages because really good people command those wages whether they are here or not. This doesn't make sense. In the case of remote workers it's the San Francisco workers that have to compete with global offer/demand because nobody cares how much you are paying for housing.

It doesn't make sense but it is true. If you're really good, someone will make you an offer for an SV salary, and now everyone needs to compete with that. Besides, it's only fair. Your value shouldn't be tied to where you live per se. It's true that people in some areas make less because they have fewer options in their area, but for a high caliber person, they have plenty of options whether they move their physical…

I think it has a lot more to do with being a good negotiator and being good at leveraging your skills than being "really good" in a general. People don't get what they deserve. They get what they negotiate.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #139

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> Your value shouldn't be tied to where you live per se. If that was the case people wouldn't make $200k in SV, $75k in Omaha, and $9k in Phuket for the same job.

People who are near the top of the skill curve, and can present a business case for being paid like it , don't make $75K in Omaha for that job. (They may make $9K in Phuket, but there are additional factors on top of that.) If I left Boston today, I'd still make what I make here. I have considered doing exactly that.

I think it has a lot less to do with being at the top of the skill curve than with making the business case for it.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #54
post #37

To everyone complaining about the $250K (see edit, it's actually 200K) per person in salary (which seems to be everyone at the moment), a few things to keep in mind: 1) That includes benefits 2) They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley 3) Given what they have accomplished with such a small team, these are probably high caliber people. 4) In SV there is a good 25% premium you…

I'm in Silicon Valley and I would love a $250k salary. But I also didn't graduate college and incur the immigrant tax. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ What I'm saying is, not everyone gets $250k and the MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME in San Francisco is $90k. If you're not making that much, don't sweat it, you're likely way above median either way. Edit: to clarify further. As an Engineer with a reasonably-employed girlfriend, I still get to liv…

Income data does not give you the full picture, especially in a city like SF. A lot of people have inherited wealth or trusts that provide moderate income (at least as reported to the IRS), so looking at income alone is insufficient for understanding wealth profiles.

My neighbor runs a small business and makes $60k/year. But he lives in a house he inherited worth over $3mn while paying taxes on the value it was assessed at in 1963.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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You could set such a thing up yourself. It's basically a trust. Put your money in the index fund, and have a process to automatically withdraw the safe amount and donate it. Now build a product around that idea, and be the next patreon. I heard of this great company that'll help you get ssh certs for free.

I've thought about this extensively, and it's actually not that easy to set one up yourself. For one thing, the overhead required to administer a trust is non-zero, and would be prohibitively expensive (non-sustainable) for a small amount. The barest minimum endowment is at least $10k, and possibly $100k. Best case, you find a way to align the trust with a university, who adds it to their portfolio and administers th…

How does the overhead scale when you go from, say, having $10k in the pool to $10m? If a service existed that ran a trust where you could put in money and then dictate where your share gets routed, would this overhead keep going up dramatically as it grows?

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #116
post #37

To everyone complaining about the $250K (see edit, it's actually 200K) per person in salary (which seems to be everyone at the moment), a few things to keep in mind: 1) That includes benefits 2) They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley 3) Given what they have accomplished with such a small team, these are probably high caliber people. 4) In SV there is a good 25% premium you…

I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

You would think people working for a SV company in places with a much lower cost of living would take a much lower salary, but you would be wrong. It is certainly my experience in hiring.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #194

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You're overestimating their final salary. Per-employee expenses are usually almost the salary all over again. Payroll taxes are a real bitch. It's probably closer to $110-$120k salary per employee.

"Payroll tax" (more appropriately known as the employer-side of the FICA tax) is only 7%, it's really not what I would qualify as "a bitch". My wages are 80% of my total compensation (my employer provides a nice breakdown of insurance costs, 401(k) match, etc), factor in 7% of my wages going to FICA and their total cost to employ me with my total compensation package is ~125% of my annual salary. I also make a fairly…

In my market (Ohio, US) loaded cost of an employee is between 130% and 135% of salary.
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