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What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by kooshball »

softawre wrote: post #198
jedberg wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah you have a point. I guess living here and having many friends who make more than 300K/yr as engineers (and some as much at 450K or 500K, and a few getting >1.2M), I've become numb to it.

Since we're talking, how much did you make at Netflix? 250k seems "entry level" there for a good engineer. Do managers make more?

h1b data is a good source. Especially for Netflix since almost all their compensation is in salary, rather than benefits/stock/etc like a lot of other tech companies.

http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Netflix+Inc&job=&city=&year...

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Post by resmote »

jlukanta wrote: post #239
resmote wrote: post #172

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It doesn't work that way for all the remote jobs and contracts I've worked.

Maybe you aren't a great engineer?

That's pretty insulting to suggest in any case and borders on a reprehensible attitude to take personally against someone.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by zeveb »

billiam wrote: post #221
zeveb wrote: post #116

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I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

You people are hilarious. Hey, YC, I've got a great idea for a startup in the incredibly hot cert/encryption space. The team is world class and in place. The product is shipping and customers are doubling every 6 months. $8 million at $40 million please. Y'all idolize the bloodsuckers in Teslas that run this site, and give Josh and team grief. Jeez.

I'm not giving Let's Encrypt grief — I think the wages they are paying sound decent. I was quibbling with the person I was replying to.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by lucb1e »

sp527 wrote: post #199

Surprised no one is commenting that their software has really poor usability. It may work well in providing secure certificates, but setup is a PITA and the documentation is abysmal.

Agreed. If I remember correctly it even destroyed a site once when it was attempting to make sure their validator could reach the verification file. I just did what everyone said: "it's so easy, just run it on auto mode with apache and it'll configure your cert for you". Turned out to be a huge PITA.

Recently I had to renew that site again (I've been postponing and dreading it) and looked for a different client. The getssl bash script[1] had its own problems (all caused by me not taking the time to read the readme, but the default settings were a bit odd), but overall a 10× better experience than the official client. Much less magic, much more a unix-like tool ("it does only one thing, and one thing very well").

[1] https://github.com/srvrco/getssl

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Post by sidlls »

amazingman wrote: post #237
sidlls wrote: post #80

All the complaints about salaries are dismaying. Why not consider that plenty of other places seriously undercompensate engineers instead of trying to cut this organization's pay structure down?

People overwhelmingly want others to have less than them more than they want themselves to have more. It's ridiculous, but true.

Yep. The same phenomenon augmented by racism applies to certain demographic populations of the US with respect to minimum wage, welfare, etc.

It's just completely irrational.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by megablast »

billiam wrote: post #221
zeveb wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

You people are hilarious. Hey, YC, I've got a great idea for a startup in the incredibly hot cert/encryption space. The team is world class and in place. The product is shipping and customers are doubling every 6 months. $8 million at $40 million please. Y'all idolize the bloodsuckers in Teslas that run this site, and give Josh and team grief. Jeez.

You are taking this way to harsh, I don't think he is giving them grief.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by danellis »

resmote wrote: post #252
jlukanta wrote: post #239

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Maybe you aren't a great engineer?

That's pretty insulting to suggest in any case and borders on a reprehensible attitude to take personally against someone.

I think what jlukanta is saying is that the greatest people get the salaries they demand regardless of location. If you're insulted by the suggestion that you might not be in that top category, maybe you're letting your ego respond instead of thinking about it rationally.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by Dylan16807 »

mrb wrote: post #225
Dylan16807 wrote: post #205

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That's an interesting way of putting it. I think I would spend longer double-checking a bitcoin transaction that I would one through paypal. Name/address are easy to autofill even if you don't want anything saving your card info.

I'd do the bitcoin donation as such: unlock my phone, launch Bitcoin Wallet, capture on-screen QR code, type $10, hit send. Done.

I guess that's simple enough if you have two devices handy at the same time. But the simple flow for paypal is just as easy. Click to let my browser autofill payment info, type the CSC, hit submit.

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Post by thesimon »

erpellan wrote: post #145
jedberg wrote: post #37

To everyone complaining about the $250K (see edit, it's actually 200K) per person in salary (which seems to be everyone at the moment), a few things to keep in mind: 1) That includes benefits 2) They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley 3) Given what they have accomplished with such a small team, these are probably high caliber people. 4) In SV there is a good 25% premium you…

If they provided an identical quality of service with 25 employees for $2m nobody would bat an eye. I'd say the fact that the team is so lean is justification for higher salaries in and of itself.

Could they provide a better service with 25 instead of 10 for $2m though?

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by resmote »

freehunter wrote: post #208
msinclair wrote: post #182

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It sure is! Just go to https://letsencrypt.org

It's so easy, I have a cron job do it for me! (That is a comment on how easy LetsEncrypt makes generating certificates, something I very much appreciate).

I agree, LetsEncrypt has done a great job. My original comment was snarky though accurate in a focused sense concerning the actual creation of a self-signed certificate (which can be easily cron jobbed). Of course I understand and appreciate that there is the whole negotiating the larger certificate scene, multiple companies, politics, etc. and that takes time, talent, effort and money. If LetsEncrypt had just come out from the start and said, "we can offer this service for X dollars" then it would have been more transparent.
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