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Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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We call things AI until they start working. See also: robots (your washing machine is a robot, but it works so you don’t think of it that way).

I think of robots as general purpose, machines are specific purpose. When it works, we make it single purpose because that’s far far cheaper than general purpose.

Are welding machines at the Volkswagen factory robots?

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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> AI-powered alerts from their apple watches that detected cardiac events Surely these are “good old-fashioned AI” (statistical learning) and not LLM, though. I just want to be clear that the “medical LLM” tools are the new ones, and the Apple Watch alerts aren’t.

LLMs are statistical learning. GOFAI is symbolic, rules-based stuff, expert systems and that.

Who downvoted this person for correctly defining GOFAI on an tech forum?

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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post #281

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I think of robots as general purpose, machines are specific purpose. When it works, we make it single purpose because that’s far far cheaper than general purpose.

Are welding machines at the Volkswagen factory robots?

Idk could you swap out an attachment and make them to something completely different?

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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Cardiac events from Apple Watches is not “AI” though

It would have been, 20 years ago.

When I was studying ML back in 2017 people were still calling things like image classifiers "AI".

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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There is still a categorical difference between how they are being used. Specifically analytic vs generative. Generative AI (LLMs and image generators) are the ones people have issues with - pretty much nobody cares about ML processing for analysis.

There’s a bit of a grey area, for example speech recognition. Would you classify that as analytic or generative? Whisper and speech LLMs work pretty well, but can completely make up stuff that wasn’t in the audio at all (see e.g. “thank you for watching” transcribed during silence). Other approaches are closer to the acoustic evidence but may make other mistakes (especially wrongly transcribing long tail, low frequen…

Analytic, but badly made.

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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post #281

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I think of robots as general purpose, machines are specific purpose. When it works, we make it single purpose because that’s far far cheaper than general purpose.

Are welding machines at the Volkswagen factory robots?

Are these the ones with 5+ axis arms? Yes, they're robots

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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> where they were found to have done everything right on a call — except staying on the line for more than 15 minutes

Do these idiots not know how intelligent assholes work? If you make this a policy, everyone who has a gripe will eventually learn to delay a call to 14 minutes and then make an absurd ask.

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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If you're going to play the "both sides are the same" game you need to be more precise in what that means. DNC is absolutely subservient to their patrons and party leadership in general owned by the donor class. But the similarities stop there. The party platforms are in stark difference, and the GOP is now literally a cult of personality run by a mob boss. The naked corruption is off the charts. In fact right now Tr…

On this particular issue both sides are identical. On other issues they are not.

> On this particular issue both sides are identical

There is nothing sweeter to the oligarch constitunecy than the idiots who can't see shades of grey.

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post #185

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It’s machine learning, which people routinely called AI not so long ago.

ML was always marketed separately as AI/ML, with AI being things like CNNs/RNNs/BERTs and such. Always felt like a distinction without a difference.

I don't think so. ML was always associated with AI. When it wasn't, it was called statistics.

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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The older the doctor the more experience they have, but also their knowledge is more outdated (how many keep up with medical journals?) and their brain is worse at learning and connecting dots so I'm not sure I'd choose the oldest I could find.

The human body is the same as it was before your doctor was born.

The Earth was mostly the same in the 1300's. Let's use material from that time to do engineering.
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