Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by bloppe » Mon, Jun 08, 2026, 10:50 PM UTC

girvo wrote: post #257

bloppe wrote: post #230

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Apple loves to play dumb about this stuff. The EU imposes a pretty straightforward regulation regarding equality of access. Apple seems to come up with all sorts of "solutions" to this "problem", and each one never amounts to true equality of access. They could easily just allow users to decide "Do you want to give this app unfettered access to all your device data, including other apps' data?". Let users decide. 99%…

> There are 2 potential outcomes: either the sky really does fall, and there's a meaningful uptick in bad things happening to iPhone users, in which Apple can easily point the finger at the EC and say "they made us do this". Apple looks like the good guys who put up a good fight for their users, but ultimately their hands were tied, and they'll probably get the revisions to EU law they're so desperately fighting for.…

People will absolutely not blame Apple if the exact thing they warned would happen, and said would be really bad, actually turns out to happen and be really bad.

Apple has very well-funded PR. They will make sure that the EC is blamed.

Then, they get to be the heroes once the law is changed to allow them to come to everyone's rescue by banishing all third-party app access forever. They would ultimately be the saviours.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Danox » Mon, Jun 08, 2026, 10:52 PM UTC

dejawu wrote: post #7

It's strange to me that Apple would choose to disadvantage themselves by selecting Google as their provider as opposed to, say, Anthropic or even OpenAI. Doesn't this mean they'll struggle more to differentiate themselves from the assistant on Android phones? Thinking more cynically, couldn't Google, if they wanted, feed Apple an inferior version of Gemini, ensuring they stay ahead? As the consumer, this just sucks b…

Didn’t Apple talked to Anthropic as their first choice, but they couldn’t agree on an amount, almost similar to BeOS and Next remember them?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Zagitta » Mon, Jun 08, 2026, 10:52 PM UTC

FridgeSeal wrote: post #246

bloppe wrote: post #230

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Apple loves to play dumb about this stuff. The EU imposes a pretty straightforward regulation regarding equality of access. Apple seems to come up with all sorts of "solutions" to this "problem", and each one never amounts to true equality of access. They could easily just allow users to decide "Do you want to give this app unfettered access to all your device data, including other apps' data?". Let users decide. 99%…

> Do you want to give this app unfettered access to all your device data, including other apps' data? Which Facebook and instagram will present as “tee hee updated terms of service” in the first 15 seconds, and people will tick it, because they’re not interested in reading T&C’s, just want to message their friend about dinner, and aren’t suddenly expected be deceived like that.

Ah yes something a trillion dollar tech company definitely is too inept to solve!

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by throwaway27448 » Mon, Jun 08, 2026, 10:52 PM UTC

skynotblue wrote: post #217

A lot of people are missing that Google is light years ahead in terms of edge AI. They've been going on about it even before the GPT-craze. Pixel phones have had live captions (on edge transcriber) for a while.

How good is their offline (on-device) ai offering?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by mark_l_watson » Mon, Jun 08, 2026, 10:52 PM UTC

jamesgill wrote: post #88

Maybe I'm wrong, but this seems to strongly undercut Apple's claims about privacy.

I don't think so. They will be running on their servers, or running in the future on Google's servers with privacy guarantees.

Do you think Google doesn't protect privacy for large paying customers?

For years I have enjoyed using Google products that I pay for, and they are clear about privacy guarantees.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by kube-system » Mon, Jun 08, 2026, 10:52 PM UTC

wahnfrieden wrote: post #256

kube-system wrote: post #157

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Most Android devices aren't even Google products, and for much of Android's existence, none of them were. Android is a way to get ads in front of people... as is their partnerships with Apple.

That describes Google's business. For Apple, Google is a competitor. An Android user is one less iOS user.

Then it's in their best interest to enable many Google products in iOS to give people less of a reason to buy an Android phone.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Danox » Mon, Jun 08, 2026, 10:52 PM UTC

dwaite wrote: post #277

oulipo2 wrote: post #105

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That's not the point of OP. The point of OP is that Google is a direct competitor of Apple for phones / OS, so them giving the "key of the house" to Google is risky

A large portion of Apple's screens come from Samsung. Once a company is large enough, growing your business through supporting a competitor of another group at the company could be seen as a win-win.

The other half comes from LG….

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by yunwal » Mon, Jun 08, 2026, 10:54 PM UTC

bigfudge wrote: post #244

Maxion wrote: post #196

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I dunno, I trust the EU regulators more than I'd trust any US based company.

I do too, but in this case the choice isn't between apple and the EU. It's between apple and the your non-technical friends foolishly trust, without much understanding of the implications for them or society as a whole. Ultimately I think it's important for the EU to regulate companies like apple to ensure competition. But in this instance, it doesn't seem like we have all the other pieces in place that would be nece…

what's the missing piece exactly? In every other situation where a company wants to launch an iphone app to hoover your data, Apple gives a clear message telling you what types of data you're giving access to. Why is this situation different?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by 00kevn » Mon, Jun 08, 2026, 10:54 PM UTC

doikor wrote: post #183

jasonmp85 wrote: post #160

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How do you expect to use a nav system while driving without voice control?

Put in the destination before start driving? CarPlay does not work at all if you have not enabled Siri. As in it won’t even connect.

No sense of adventure

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by mark_l_watson » Mon, Jun 08, 2026, 10:54 PM UTC

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #151

It is weird and disturbing that Apple has no native AI capability. This is one of the most cash rich companies in the world and it has failed to have any position in the most critical technology development perhaps ever. It's a clear signal that Apple became the most incredible operational/execution company under Tim Cook, but lost its innovation leadership.

I have been using their on define AFM models for a year - for small models they are good. Their Secure Enclave server bases AFM model is good, but not in the same class as gemini 3.5 flash or deep seek v4 flash.