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Re: Material 3 Expressive

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post #90

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I am a little afraid to ask but what is a "jump in rebelliousness"?

It means a trillion dollar company is affirming people’s dissatisfaction with the status quo for even more $$$.

While destroying the meaning of rebellion - which we could use a bit of right now.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Couldn't agree more. It's basically a page with some pictures in it, and everything in it loaded so late for me that initially I wondered why they left so many large empty spaces in the page. This could work and be fast with tech from at least 20 years ago, probably even more. It's really incredible this is output from a company valued in trillions.

Indeed. Google is the worst at designing around lazy loading. Their UIs in Drive, Youtube Music, and others essentially become unusable once the list gets long. God forbid you don't have a super low latency connection straight to the data center. Even holding open a web socket to fetch "next pages" doesn't cut it in most of the real world. If you're gonna lazy load (which I admit sometimes does make sense) you need t…

Especially when metadata is so cheap to send over. Even if you have literally thousands of files, there's no reason why they couldn't send it all in a single JSON at first page load. Gzipped it would be nothing.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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"I understood that the poet's work wasn't in the poetry; it was in inventing reasons for the poetry to be admirable. Naturally, that ulterior work altered the piece for him—but not for anyone else."

  - J. L. Borges, El Aleph [1]
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1: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8699659-comprend-que-el-tra...

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#285
post #24

That's a mixed bag. Have a look at the linked https://m3.material.io/blog/building-with-m3-expressive to get a better impression of what this is about. From the guidelines given there, many parts of the design make sense and will help designs work better - grouping objects properly, be aware of contrast to highlight important elements, more options for good typography (instead of basically none, Android/Material offe…

Good lord, that page you linked is 60MB.

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Re: Material 3 Expressive

#286

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Browser don't support replacing cursor images natively for obvious reasons. You have to use JavaScript for that.

CSS supports replacing cursor images natively. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/cursor

In this case it looks like they didn't just want an image though, they wanted the cursor to invert the color of whatever part of the web page it's over, and to seamlessly morph into a selection highlight whenever you mouse over certain controls. Seems like that's a lot harder to make performant.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#287
post #41

The 'send' example perfectly illustrates why I would find Material 3 hard to use - it makes it harder to write the message but easier to send. It's less usable.

it increases the efficiency of sending short messages...

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#288
post #23

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Especially since it feels so bland and "corpo safe" - the only thing I have feelings about is selling this as expressive :D

No but look > We found a 32% increase in subculture perception, which indicates that expressive design makes a brand feel more relevant and “in-the-know.” We also saw a 34% boost in modernity, making a brand feel fresh and forward-thinking. On top of that, there was a 30% jump in rebelliousness, suggesting that expressive design positions a brand as bold, innovative, and willing to break from convention.

And they quantified each of those gains down to two full decimal places of precision!

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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post #134

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It's because the developers have extremely fast and graphics accelerated hardware. I can't notice any lag whatsoever on the mouse cursor on my M2 Pro but.. But a lot of folks won't have top end HW.

I have no cursor lag and I'm on a 2019 Intel MBP.

I’m on an iPhone, and I see no cursor lag!

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#290
post #41

The 'send' example perfectly illustrates why I would find Material 3 hard to use - it makes it harder to write the message but easier to send. It's less usable.

I went through a few thoughts when seeing the design: - I do have trouble spotting the send button on the old design - Maybe just moving it to a similar position as the new design would help - I don't actually want it near the keyboard because I might accidentally tap it - There's plenty of space, why can't they just have a button that actually says 'send'?

On my Android gmail app, when I reply to an email, there's very little on the screen at the start of the process. The pink-ish send button really stands out since everything else is grey text (I'm using dark mode). They show an image after the user has composed their message and also expanded the quoted previous email text, which is not really what the user's experience is like, so it's misleading IMO.
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