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Material 3 Expressive

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Re: Material 3 Expressive

#191
Oh my god, this is ugly as fuck.

It reminds me a study about the perception of beauty among students of arts.

Before they start their studies, their perception of beauty is similar to everyone's.

But as they go through their course, their perception starts to shift. What they see as "beautiful" doesn't match the perception of others.

They learn what "skeuomorphism" is, and suddenly everything must be flat and undifferentiated.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#192

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Pretty sure Google has used Docs internally since long before COVID.

"used Docs internally" is not the same as: > on normal consumer internet connections

Oh yeah. One of my pet peeves is that every comms product from Google (say Google Meet) works poorly on a slow internet connection, and slow could be something not bad at all, say 20 Mbps. Zoom, the former Skype, Slack Huddles, Go2Meeting, absolutely every other product has good audio quality and tolerable video quality. With Google products there are dropouts every few seconds so you can't understand what the other people are saying.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#194
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No but look > We found a 32% increase in subculture perception, which indicates that expressive design makes a brand feel more relevant and “in-the-know.” We also saw a 34% boost in modernity, making a brand feel fresh and forward-thinking. On top of that, there was a 30% jump in rebelliousness, suggesting that expressive design positions a brand as bold, innovative, and willing to break from convention.

I am a little afraid to ask but what is a "jump in rebelliousness"?

It means a trillion dollar company is affirming people’s dissatisfaction with the status quo for even more $$$.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#195
Let me share with you my brief but very intensive user story of the "M3 web":

1. User visits https://m3.material.io/develop/web. 2. User suffers unsolicited and redundant gooey animation of an "orange-violet blob-like thingamajig" unrelated to the topic. This happens despite user's clearly communicated "prefers-reduced-motion" setting that other sites usually respect. 3. User struggles to find how to stop said thingamajig. After scrolling, they eventually discover some kind of "pause button" tucked away in the bottom left corner of a sidebar. (User has a laptop, so that icon—with no textual hint of its function—sits below their initial viewport.) 4. User clicks the pause emblem and the visual distraction freezes in place. 5. User attempts to identify the first interactive element in the main area (also known as a "link"). 6. Moving the cursor over a tile under "Announcements" makes the tile change colour. User deduces it might be clickable. There is no other visual indication that this content is functionally different from the "static" texts surrounding it. 7. The tile reads:

    Meet Material Web 1.0Start using lightweight and accessible Material Components in any web framework
This appears to be a heading and subtitle, but in reality consists of two styled with no space between them (hence the peculiar "1.0Start" fusion). The spans are marked with `class="title"` and `class="description..."` respectively. 8. User boldly clicks that tile. 9. User gets a new browser tab opened. 10. User wonders why there was no visual indication this would happen. 11. User evaluates the content of this unsolicited tab, decorated with "cheering megaphone" emoji. They conclude there is actually no clear path toward "Starting to use lightweight and accessible Material Components" there. 12. User decides to close the tab and return to the original "M3" page. 13. The original "M3" page no longer looks as it did before. It has scrolled back to the frozen orange-violet thingamajig, causing the content with the tile to vanish from the viewport. 14. User decides that they've encountered enough WCAG violations for this month. 15. User closes the tab.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#196

I genuinely would not hire an ex-Google designer for my startup. These metrics are so nonsensical: > We found a 32% increase in subculture perception, which indicates that expressive design makes a brand feel more relevant and “in-the-know.” Show me metrics that move something tangible, like conversion rates. If you can't do that, we both know why.

I feel like when companies first start they go for the conversion rate and selling the thing that they produce. But as a company gets to "Google Size" where everyone and their grandma knows about it, the goal stops being to just convert customers and starts being just getting eyeballs on your brand and products and raising awareness about what you do. It's like Johnson and Johnson having an ad where they just tell you they are a "family company" and don't even bother advertising a product.

That line you quoted is only valuable if you're an org with the scale and cultural zeitgeist that Google has.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#197

The email send button is such a bad example : for 5 seconds spent on finding the button the first time, one will use this same button thousands of time and know perfectly where it is. On the contrary, one will spend time writing the email in the long run. The new design has way less room for writing. Also, just shifting the place of the button would have resolved most of the problem. Also, RIP small phones. These new…

Maybe the design needs to adjust with use. Imagine a person new to sending mail has a big and clear send button at the top, then, the UI learns over time how familiar the user is with the interface. If they seem capable of hitting the send button then it can be shrunk down a bit. Rinse and repeat until the button is down to power user size.

Equally, if the user has been away for a month or two, the send button can be made more prominent, to account for the user forgetting the interface.

This could be branded muscle memory, so the send button gets fat unless it is regularly used.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#198
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[Ticket Closed] resolution: user should buy a macbook pro with at least the M3 processor /s

SecOps put CrowdStrike's Falcon and Windows Defender on our Macs so we'd have about 20% CPU left for our actual dev work. That's not an exaggeration, staring at the System Monitor is all you can do when everything is locked up. The Android emulator sucks the remainder with ease. The app performs better on a low end Android burner phone then our dev machines so at least we know our users are having a reasonable experi…

You just triggered some PTSD... years ago I had to send my CTO a recording of my screen with keyboard input lag on VSCode because CrowdStrike was eating up all my CPU.

I asked him if it was a good use of my (expensive) time to wait 30 seconds for characters to appear on my code editor.

Luckily he gave me a "special exemption" that allowed me to shut that monstrosity down !

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#199

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"used Docs internally" is not the same as: > on normal consumer internet connections

Oh yeah. One of my pet peeves is that every comms product from Google (say Google Meet) works poorly on a slow internet connection, and slow could be something not bad at all, say 20 Mbps. Zoom, the former Skype, Slack Huddles, Go2Meeting, absolutely every other product has good audio quality and tolerable video quality. With Google products there are dropouts every few seconds so you can't understand what the other…

I have used Google meet exclusively for a number of years, multiple times a day on the cheapest Internet connection I can buy in my area. It is consistently a better experience then Zoom or Teams.

The only caveat is that the experience is not good on Firefox. Google meet is the only thing I use Chrome/Brave for.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#200
It's nice that they're testing how new users, preferably those who have never seen a computer before in their lives, react to UIs and how quickly they discover new features.

But what about all the existing users, who know the app and its features and who are really annoyed by these "modern" HUGE UIs that waste 60% of screen space with some jumbotron and hide all other features behind menus (or downright remove them) because "they might confuse new users"?

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