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Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by cassepipe »

r00fus wrote: post #262
SEJeff wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> closer trade ties lower the likelihood of armed conflict This was 100% what Europe believed and the Merkel administration in Germany more than anyone. Not to bring politics into HN intentionally, but I think the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and threats of invading Poland, Finland, and Germany from Russian spokesmen or MPs kind of throws cold water on this theory. No matter how well meaning you are, you can't expect…

This reasoning completely ignores NATO essentially trampling over red lines established with Russia in the past, doing a soft coup in Ukraine in 2011 and reverting their stance on Ukraine joining NATO. NATO is the reason Russia attacked, not because "Germany was soft". Over-reliance on an external parter for a strategic economic input (cheap gas) was also a huge mis-step (all while shutting down self-reliant nuclear…

Or put in another way, Ukraine can't be free and get a shot at democracy because imperialistic Russia deems it its sphere of influence.

And no amount of denouncing US hypocrisy in defending democracy will make me change my mind. Two wrongs doesn't make a right and if it happens that Pax Americana allows a country to take a more democratic route, then let it happen.

Or as some Ukrainian said :

"We are not Russian doorstep, we are free, independent Ukraine. F** you"

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by paleotrope »

owisd wrote: post #60
egorfine wrote: post #36

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Also yes, because it's easier to start in a jurisdiction with sane laws and bearable tax burden, none of which is available in the EU. EU is indeed drowning in mind boggling bureaucracy. Source: am a startup in the EU.

If it was merely about taxes and regulations then nobody would want to choose California over almost any other state for their startup.

Lag effect. 30-40 years ago, California was a different place, way more business friendly. Lots of military connected companies. Lots of money. Lots of people moving there. Educated workforce. It's very different now.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by pabs3 »

stego-tech wrote: post #12

Called it, again . Data sovereignty is the true trend of the next decade. Not Quantum, not AI, but the new multi-pole world order divesting from Americentric technologies and back into the sort of locally-grown economies that children of the Cold War would be familiar with. Local vendors serving local needs with a focus on regional, not global, scale and service. Us Cassandra types have been screaming for years that…

There is nothing wrong with global software, as long as it is self-hosted open source that you can control and you mitigate the risks by contributing back time and money to the projects you use.

https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1013614/e52394a236575047/

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by spiderfarmer »

Grumbledour wrote: post #35
spiderfarmer wrote: post #16

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No. The main reason we got in this mess is because the US is a better market for startups, simply because of the amount of available money, and the fact that it’s easier to start in a market with 340M people who speak the same language.

But, at least speaking for Germany here, the anti-technology stance of politicians and Germans in general certainly has a huge part in hampering the startup scene. This always goes both ways. It's not wrong to be skeptical and wanting privacy etc., but it also means it's harder to make bank by tracking everyone and selling their data, which has been a huge part of American technology startups for over a decade. And i…

The Dutch people are early adopters. But our startups generally think way too small.

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Post by kristiandupont »

belter wrote: post #276
kristiandupont wrote: post #241

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If you have a spreadsheet with macros that are anything more than the most basic, you can't run it in Calc. It's not that trivial.

The 2% ...And your company logic should not be in the Macros. "The Wall of Shame for the Worst Excel Errors" - https://www.solving-finance.com/post/the-wall-of-shame-for-t...

Right, so your argument is that this is easy, and if it turns out that it's not, we'll just be smug and tell them that they were holding it wrong all along?

It sounds like you are picturing in your head that all spreadsheet work is greenfield. Do you have any idea how much Excel code is embedded everywhere? Very often made by people who are no longer around. You can lecture all you want, but this is the situation. I don't like it either.

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Post by cess11 »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #278
cess11 wrote: post #134

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If you have a reason, just terminate the contract? That's how it works in pretty much all of the EU.

It’s not so easy in Germany when the company has 10+ employees. You need a process consisting of warnings, giving time to correct the behaviour and what not. There are cases where people who have been terminated for sexual misconduct or stealing have been ordered by the court to return to work.

Sure it is. I suspect the reason that you didn't provide any details from those cases is that the judgements wouldn't be surprising if you did.

If you really want to be able to get rid of people willy-nilly in Germany, use subcontractors and 'rent' the labour you need.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

lurk2 wrote: post #279
AlecSchueler wrote: post #274

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Thanks for the effort, I appreciate it, but neither of those are actually calling for anyone to be guillotined. The first is a prediction of what could happen long in the future if certain behaviours continue to worsen and the latter is asking why guillotines aren't valid solutions. Both seem to have been delivered with tongues in cheek. Have there been any comments suggesting CEOs "should be" guillotined as you clai…

> Have there been any comments suggesting CEOs "should be" guillotined as you claimed above? Fundamentally this is not a question of whether or not I can pull up specific comments that meet your interpretation of my original comment, it’s a question of whether or not Hacker News is permissive of narratives contrary to the interests of Bay Area technology executives. Here’s a few comments (some of them qualified: “I w…

> Fundamentally this is not a question of whether or not I can pull up specific comments that meet your interpretation of my original comment,

If your claim is that HN is demonstrably permissive because there have been multiple calls for people to be executed then it really is a question of being able to back that up with examples, otherwise the "because" aspect of your assertion falls apart. I also find it bizarre that you're framing my reading of "should be guillotined" as an "interpretation" just because it doesn't include jokes. Is that the point we're at with the doublespeak now?

If "x is true because of y" then you should be able to demonstrate y and not change the definition of y after the fact.

> The moderation of this forum is incredibly permissive; the people who feel they are being censored are more often than not just getting flagged by the community for posting off-topic political rants

In terms of viewpoints that can be shared the wider site moderation is relatively permissive. But the people who are feeling censored are explicitly noting three things:

1. Things on one specific topic are being flagged (by "the community," not HN) 2. Even when they relate to technology or startup matters 3. While other political stories unrelated to 1 are still being shared.

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Post by grimblee »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #256
belter wrote: post #105

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Dump Office and Teams. Easy to do and a great start to move outside of Windows OS. LibreOffice is perfect, and government officials wont govern better or worst, if their PowerPoint presentations don't have the latest MS fonts....

Suggesting LibreOffice 19 years after Google Docs is so weird to me. Are you expecting people to shuffle around single files to each other every time something is changed? Is that what we consider perfect?

The files can be on a shared filesystem with open file locking, the word processing suite is irrelevant.

Samba existed long before google docs and already did this.

We only use google because of the convenience of having everything in one interface. I think this is the real issue, we are all so lazy we would rather give away our freedom for a little bit of convenience.

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Post by lurk2 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #287
lurk2 wrote: post #279

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> Have there been any comments suggesting CEOs "should be" guillotined as you claimed above? Fundamentally this is not a question of whether or not I can pull up specific comments that meet your interpretation of my original comment, it’s a question of whether or not Hacker News is permissive of narratives contrary to the interests of Bay Area technology executives. Here’s a few comments (some of them qualified: “I w…

> Fundamentally this is not a question of whether or not I can pull up specific comments that meet your interpretation of my original comment, If your claim is that HN is demonstrably permissive because there have been multiple calls for people to be executed then it really is a question of being able to back that up with examples, otherwise the "because" aspect of your assertion falls apart. I also find it bizarre t…

> If your claim is that HN is demonstrably permissive because there have been multiple calls for people to be executed then it really is a question of being able to back that up with examples

Let’s accept that no such comments have ever been made on the site (or if they have, they’ve been removed). How do you account for all the comments I linked to which were in favor of killing the CEO?

> 1. Things on one specific topic are being flagged (by "the community," not HN) 2. Even when they relate to technology or startup matters 3. While other political stories unrelated to 1 are still being shared.

What topic are you referring to?

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Post by Fidelix »

cageface wrote: post #251
Fidelix wrote: post #91

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Because people that make an effort of announcing these things are all about virtual signaling. Nothing they do ever has real substance to it.

I think the term you're looking for is virtue signaling.

yes, that. it was a typo. Thanks
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