OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules • Hacker News Board

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by PeterStuer » Thu, Mar 13, 2025, 9:11 PM UTC

tdeck wrote: post #238

hnlurker22 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like when people complain about OpenAI's ill practices then they use it the most

Can anyone say which of the LLM companies is the least "shady"? If I want to use an LLM to augment my work, and don't have a massively powerful local machine to run local models, what are the best options? Obviously I saw the news about OpenAI's head of research openly supporting war crimes, but I don't feel confident about what's up with the other companies.

Just use what works for you.

E.g. i'm very outspoken about my preferences for open llm practices like executed by Meta and Deepseek. I'm very aware of the regulatory caption and pulling up the ladder tactics by the "AI safety" lobby.

However. In my own operations I do still rely on OpenAI because it works better than what I tried so far for my use case.

That said, when I can find an open model based SaaS operator that serves my needs as well without major change investment, I will switch.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by timewizard » Thu, Mar 13, 2025, 9:12 PM UTC

> OpenAI also proposed that AI companies get access to government-held data, which could include health-care information, Lehane said.

Yea, straight up, go fuck yourselves. You want copyright laws changed to vouchsafe your straight up copyright whitewashing and now you just want medical data "because."

Pay for it or go away. I'm tired of these technoweenies with their hands out. Peter Thiel needs a permanent vacation.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by VWWHFSfQ » Thu, Mar 13, 2025, 9:12 PM UTC

basisword wrote: post #273

“Please help us. We’re only a little business worth $157 billion!” - The company ripping off everyone that’s ever written or drawn anything. Company’s like AirBnB and Uber breaking the rules, gaining control of the market, and then pushing up prices was bad. “Open” AI is just a whole other level of hubris.

Not to mention Musk was an original co-founder, left, and then just recently tried to buy it back.

It's all shady-as-fuck.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by VWWHFSfQ » Thu, Mar 13, 2025, 9:14 PM UTC

timewizard wrote: post #282

> OpenAI also proposed that AI companies get access to government-held data, which could include health-care information, Lehane said. Yea, straight up, go fuck yourselves. You want copyright laws changed to vouchsafe your straight up copyright whitewashing and now you just want medical data "because." Pay for it or go away. I'm tired of these technoweenies with their hands out. Peter Thiel needs a permanent vacation…

> You want copyright laws changed to vouchsafe your straight up copyright whitewashing

I'll support this if it means that Mickey Mouse finally goes into the public domain and fucks Disney.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by falcor84 » Thu, Mar 13, 2025, 9:16 PM UTC

jlev wrote: post #135

falcor84 wrote: post #104

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To the best of my knowledge, no individual has ever been sued or prosecuted specifically for downloading books. As long as you're not massively sharing them with others, it's not an issue in practice. Enjoy your reading and learning.

Aaron Swartz, cofounder of Reddit and inventor of RSS and Markdown, was hounded to death by an overzealous prosecutor for downloading articles from JSTOR, with the intent to learn from them. He was charged with over a million dollars in fines and could have faced 35 years in prison. He and Sam Altman were in the same YC class. OpenAI is doing the same thing at a larger scale, and their technology actually reproduces…

I'm familiar with Aaron Swartz's case, and that is actually why I phrased it as "books". In any case, while tragic, Swartz wasn't prosecuted for copyright infringement, but rather for wire fraud and computer fraud due to the manner in which he bypassed protections in MIT's network and the JSTOR API. This wouldn't have been an issue if he downloaded the articles from a source that freely shared them, like sci-hub.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by insane_dreamer » Thu, Mar 13, 2025, 9:16 PM UTC

visarga wrote: post #166

insane_dreamer wrote: post #140

DeepSeek/whoever training on OpenAI outputs is ... bad. OpenAI training on every content creator's outputs is ... good.

You say that, but the reality is that all open models rely heavily on synthetic data generated with ChatGPT. They don't like it, but it happens anyway. You can't really protect a public model from having its outputs exfiltrated. This started in 2023 when LLaMA 1 was released, and has been going strong ever since. How strong? there are 330K datasets on HuggingFace, many of them generated from OpenAI.

Did you miss the sarcasm?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by Palmik » Thu, Mar 13, 2025, 9:17 PM UTC

visarga wrote: post #161

crorella wrote: post #47

If they want to avoid paying for the creative effort of authors and other artists then they should also not charge for the use of their models.

But who should pay? The model developers? Training models is a cost center. And what about open source AI, should we legislate it out of existence? How about the AI providers? they operate on thin margins, and make just cents a million tokens. If one provider is too expensive, users quickly switch. Maybe the users? Users derive the lion share of benefits from AI. But those benefits are hard to quantize. Maybe a blank…

Funnily, OpenAI also calls for the ban of their free and open-weight Chinese competitors DeepSeek and Qwen.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by VoodooJuJu » Thu, Mar 13, 2025, 9:17 PM UTC

yadaeno wrote: post #231

sitkack wrote: post #224

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Also textbook Fascism. Trump should have a Most Favored Corporate status, each corporation in a vertical can compete for favor and the one that does gets to be "teacher's pet" when it comes to exemptions, contracts, trade deals, priority in resource right access, etc.

Can you explain why this is associated with fascism specifically, and not any other form of government which has high levels of oligarchical corruption (like North Korea, Soviet Russia, etc). I am not saying you’re wrong, but please educate me why is this form of corruption/cronyism is unique to fascism?

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by PeterStuer » Thu, Mar 13, 2025, 9:17 PM UTC

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #184

CPLX wrote: post #171

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The fact that Chris Lehane is the one involved in this should tell you all you need to know about how on the level all this is.

For those of us who don’t recognize him by name, can you spell it out a little more clearly please?

Was he not the one that lead coverups for the Clintons?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by noosphr » Thu, Mar 13, 2025, 9:18 PM UTC

fsndz wrote: post #264

pr337h4m wrote: post #9

>Chris Lehane, OpenAI’s vice president of global affairs, said in an interview that the US AI Safety Institute – a key government group focused on AI – could act as the main point of contact between the federal government and the private sector. If companies work with the group voluntarily to review models, the government could provide them “with liability protections including preemption from state based regulations…

DeepSeek really shook them to their core. Now they go for regulatory capture. Such a huge disappointment. Open source AI will win: https://medium.com/thoughts-on-machine-learning/the-laymans-...

It's not just them. Everyone is scrambling.

US tech, and western tech in general, is very culturally - and by this I mean in the type of coding people have done - homogeneous.

The deep seek papers published over the last two weeks are the biggest thing to happen in IA since GPT3 came out. But unless you understand distributed file systems, networking, low level linear algebra, and half a dozen other fields at least tangentially then you'd have not realized they are anything important at all.

Meanwhile I'm going through the interview process for a tier 1 US AI lab and I'm having to take a test about circles and squares, then write a compsci 101 red/black tree search algorithm while talking to an AI, being told not to use AI at the same time. This is with an internal reference being keen for me to be on board. At this point I'm honestly wondering if they aren't just using the interview process to generate high quality validation data for free.

幸运的是，通过转换器模型，当我们光荣的领导人习近平从资本主义走狗手中解放我们时，我不需要学习中文。