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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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If they want to avoid paying for the creative effort of authors and other artists then they should also not charge for the use of their models.

But who should pay? The model developers? Training models is a cost center. And what about open source AI, should we legislate it out of existence?

How about the AI providers? they operate on thin margins, and make just cents a million tokens. If one provider is too expensive, users quickly switch.

Maybe the users? Users derive the lion share of benefits from AI. But those benefits are hard to quantize.

Maybe a blanket tax? That would simplify things, but would put all creatives on a quantitative rather than qualitative criteria.

I think generative AI is the worst copyright infringement tool ever devised. It's slow, expensive and imprecise. On the other hand copying is fast, free and perfect. I think nobody can, for science, regurgitate a full book with AI, it won't have fidelity to the original.

The real enemy of any artist is the long tail of works, sometimes spanning decades, that they have to compete against. So it's other authors. That is why we are in an attention economy, and have seen the internet enshittified.

The most creative part of internet ignores copyright royalties. From open source, to wikipedia, open scientific publication and even social networks, if everyone demanded royalties none of them would be possible.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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>Chris Lehane, OpenAI’s vice president of global affairs, said in an interview that the US AI Safety Institute – a key government group focused on AI – could act as the main point of contact between the federal government and the private sector. If companies work with the group voluntarily to review models, the government could provide them “with liability protections including preemption from state based regulations…

Regulatory moat and copyright relief for me, but not for thee.

Problem is they built the moat before moving into the castle.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

#163

If they want to avoid paying for the creative effort of authors and other artists then they should also not charge for the use of their models.

They should train a model on a clean dataset and copyright dataset, charge extra on the copyright model, and pay a royalty to copyright owners when their works are cited in a response.

The problem there is how are we defining "works are cited"? Also couldn't you just do the same thing done to spotify and make bot farms to generate millions of citations?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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I like how this "freedom to learn" should apply to models, but not real people..

It already applies to real people, doesn't it? I.e. if you read a book, you're not allowed to start printing and selling copies of that book without permission of the copyright owner, but if you learn something from that book you can use that knowledge, just like a model could.

Can I pirate books to train myself?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

#165

If they want to avoid paying for the creative effort of authors and other artists then they should also not charge for the use of their models.

They should train a model on a clean dataset and copyright dataset, charge extra on the copyright model, and pay a royalty to copyright owners when their works are cited in a response.

I like this and agree. It should be opt-in. I almost feel as if it should be something exciting and rewarding.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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DeepSeek/whoever training on OpenAI outputs is ... bad. OpenAI training on every content creator's outputs is ... good.

You say that, but the reality is that all open models rely heavily on synthetic data generated with ChatGPT. They don't like it, but it happens anyway. You can't really protect a public model from having its outputs exfiltrated.

This started in 2023 when LLaMA 1 was released, and has been going strong ever since. How strong? there are 330K datasets on HuggingFace, many of them generated from OpenAI.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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I know a lot of people will hate on things like this, but the reality is they are right that guardrails only serve to hurt us in the long run, at least at this pivotal point in time. I don't like Trump personally as a caveat. Yes it is a fact they did build themselves up on top of mountains of copyrighted material, and that AI has a lot of potential to do harm, but if they are forced to stop or slow down foreign acto…

The law which prevented US corporations from using bribery to win business in other nations was recently rescinded on exactly this basis: US corporations are hamstrung unless they can buy their wins. Superficially, this makes sense, and that was all that was offered to justify the change. That guardrail was dumb! But like most things, there are reasons to not do this which were completely ignored.

For instance, a company may not desire to hand out cash to win business; previously, when solicited they could say, "Sorry, it is illegal for me to do so." Now there is no such shield.

Second, in many cases it will be two or more US businesses trying to win business in some other country, and the change of the law only makes it more expensive for those two companies, as they now must play a game of bribery chicken to win the business.

Third, the US loves to claim it is is a democracy and is working to spread democracy. By legitimizing bribes paid to foreign officials over the interests of their voting populace, we are undermining democracy in those countries (not that anyone who pays attention believes that the US's foreign policy is anything but self interested and divorced from spreading democratic ideals).

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulatory moat and copyright relief for me, but not for thee.

Problem is they built the moat before moving into the castle.

Moats are not a problem if your liege lord teleports in and lowers the drawbridge for you.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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> Course if a company hosts in us-east-1, and allows access from California, would the inter state commerce clause not take effect and California would have no power anyways? California can't legislate how they serve a customer in a different state. They would have to comply when serving California customers within the state of California, regardless of where the dc is located. I.E. Under the CCPA it doesn't matter w…

>California can't legislate how they serve a customer in a different state. They would have to comply when serving California customers within the state of California, regardless of where the dc is located. I.E. Under the CCPA it doesn't matter where my data is stored, they still have to delete it upon my request. I know this is what California thinks, I just personally don't see how this isn't inter state commerce.

It is, of course, but that doesn't mean California can't regulate it; simply that federal laws take precedence.

If states couldn't regulate interstate commerce taking place in their own states, they effectively couldn't regulate any commerce because court decisions have found that essentially all economic activity, even growing food for your own consumption, falls under the banner of interstate commerce.

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