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Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by manuelabeledo »

booleandilemma wrote: post #18

I mean, no kidding. Half the people I work with are H-1B. The program takes jobs away from Americans and should be illegal. I want to work with people from my town, not people from halfway across the world.

> I want to work with people from my town, not people from halfway across the world.

Too bad people from your town are not smart enough.

Jokes aside, the irony of this assertion coming from an American is too rich. Wondering why "23andMe" was such a popular term not that long ago.

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Post by [deleted] »

vinay_ys wrote: post #219
cj wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the H1B program is really this bad, and if everyone involved is truly morally compromised, would it be better for the US to shut the H1B program down completely?

Surely you can think of something more nuanced than that extreme option? You can fix the visa program such that you can attract the most talented immigrants and treat them with respect for the contributions they make to your society?

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

totetsu wrote: post #117
burnerburnson wrote: post #103

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I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English, and it's frustrating spending hours every day just being an English teacher to an engineer who writes at a 5th grade level. The problem with hiring too many H1Bs is they speak to each other in Chinese and thus take forever to become proficient at communicating with the rest of the company. Also,…

As someone with some exposure to Chinese characters as a Japanese speaker, I’ve had the please to casually glance a WeChat group and realize some of the back channel Chinese from my teammates was joking about trying to get me fired. (Edit: my also Chinese manager dealt with it very well and that person left the company after some time)

I have a completely different experience. My (Indian) manager told me I couldn't be let go because it would make the team entirely Indian :) Apart from that, I found it much easier to work with H1B colleagues than with entitled and full of ego "native" Americans.

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Post by lr1970 »

burnerburnson wrote: post #103
greatpostman wrote: post #13

Generally not supposed to say this out loud, but being the only American on an all H1B team at these companies can be absolutely brutal. Very alienating, always missing out on back channel communications, no sympathy for missteps

I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English, and it's frustrating spending hours every day just being an English teacher to an engineer who writes at a 5th grade level. The problem with hiring too many H1Bs is they speak to each other in Chinese and thus take forever to become proficient at communicating with the rest of the company. Also,…

> I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English

I am wondering how did they manage to pass the Google's hiring committee?

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Post by [deleted] »

vinay_ys wrote: post #232
iepathos wrote: post #67

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You don't understand what slavery is. Slaves don't get paid and it isn't voluntary. H1B are paid and is entirely voluntary. The reason foreigners accept and compete for the positions is because the pay is better than the positions they can get locally. Calling that slavery is ignorant and an insult to anyone alive or historically who has suffered actual slave labor.

Back in the days of slaves, someone would have argued how slavery isn't that bad because there were more worse things in their past and how slavery was an improvement in the lives of those slaves compared to what they would have had in their home country. Your argument reeks of the same moral flaw.

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Post by Argonaut998 »

Why is this allowed? This is blatant corruption. Firstly the H1B was never intended to be used to hire cheap labour en-masse from abroad, in fact quite the opposite. Why is no politician cracking down on it? It’s madness and does not help the US or its citizens in any way, shape or form.

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Post by i_am_a_peasant »

mrtksn wrote: post #229
burnerburnson wrote: post #103

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I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English, and it's frustrating spending hours every day just being an English teacher to an engineer who writes at a 5th grade level. The problem with hiring too many H1Bs is they speak to each other in Chinese and thus take forever to become proficient at communicating with the rest of the company. Also,…

Interesting, isn't it considered impolite to speak in a language that someone in the group doesn't understand? When I was in Germany, Germans even texted their SO in English in case I glance over their phones. Maybe the group I was in was exceptionally welcoming but everywhere in Europe where I lived(EU, non-EU, UK etc.) it was always considered rude to speak a language that others don't understand and everyone alway…

I don't know where in germany you worked at but most offices here are not nearly as english friendly, in my experience it's quite rare and more than half the IT jobs still expect you to know some German otherwise it's a non starter.

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Post by Zetice »

thfuran wrote: post #225
paint wrote: post #192

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I know you're joking but some people actually think that way and it's so disgusting. No borders no nations no walls

Where's the joke? The purpose of any government ought to be to benefit its citizens. Certainly there's a moral obligation to not unduly wrong others in the course of that pursuit, but it is contrary to the mission of a government to benefit foreigners at the expense of its own population.

The purpose of government is to provide social goods to everyone who agreed to give up some freedoms to be part of that government.

Non citizens have equal right to feed their families, and anyone who has agreed to the social contract has equal rights to the social services the government has agreed to provide, regardless of citizenship.

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Post by manuelabeledo »

jpalawaga wrote: post #268
Zetice wrote: post #240

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No, a nation should not put just its citizens first, that’s nationalistic garbage. Firstly it presumes a nation decides who its citizens are through some fair system, and secondly it presumes its citizens are somehow inherently more deserving than its non citizens. Anyone who agrees to the social contract gets to benefit from the nation. That’s what a country actually is.

Your premise is flawed. If I create a new nation and my nations social contact is one norm: no outsiders, then you can't simply be a national by agreeing to the contract. In practice, nations prioritize their own citizens, in the same way you will prioritize your family. Do you abandon taking care of your family because it would be "more fair," to take care of someone on the other side of the planet? Your countrymen…

> Your countrymen should have aligned values, cultures, goals, missions, etc that prioritizes them. That's the fabric of society.

12% of the US population are second generation immigrants [0]. Obviously, third generation percentage is even higher.

Good luck reconciling that with your thoughts on what a "nation" should be.

[0] https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publicatio...

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Post by dudul »

paint wrote: post #192
dudul wrote: post #165

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Because this is in America.

I know you're joking but some people actually think that way and it's so disgusting. No borders no nations no walls

Do you have walls and doors in your house?
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