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Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by manuelabeledo »

mrits wrote: post #157
manuelabeledo wrote: post #100

“Low paid”? I’m an immigrant myself and know how the visa application process works. There are a few mechanisms in place to prevent H-1B holders to receive lower wages than their colleagues, first and foremost the PERM, which guarantees similar wages in the same occupation and area of employment. If Google or anyone else are hiring H-1B visa holders directly, they have to pay them accordingly to their own standards.…

H-1B have no leverage and can get in emergency hire situations. This encourages exploitation. Like a slave they might be lucky and have a good master.

While I agree that getting fired as a H-1B could end up terribly, I have yet to encounter a single visa holder that's grossly underpaid or mistreated.

> Like a slave they might be lucky and have a good master.

Can't take this kind of hyperbole seriously.

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Post by thfuran »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #52
intelVISA wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's only exploitation if those workers have to live in the US. Something like 50kUSD/y is laughable to an american but is actually a ridiculous amount of money for a lot of people due to exchange rates. More than worth it so long as they can work remotely without paying US cost of living.

>Something like 50kUSD/y is laughable to an american

What's laughable is how out of touch you are. US median personal income among workers who work full-time year round is about $56k.

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Post by horns4lyfe »

hokepokedoke wrote: post #209

This topic is a lightning rod and it seems we're conflating a bunch of things. All these things can be separately true. 1) H1B's are abused 2) Immigrants, like any other people, can form cliques at work 3) Companies do layoffs while simultaneously hiring 4) H1B semi-indenture the hired immigrant First off the bat, this is a clickbaity article. The literal implication is FANG laid off and FANG also hired H1Bs therefor…

Why not mention them by name? It only benefits us to call them out

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Post by dixie_land »

dudul wrote: post #165
Zetice wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are Americans more deserving of jobs then other people?

Because this is in America.

And in America we earn our keep. Life is not fair, if someone's willing to work for less, you simply show up and do a better job and demand a better salary. Entitlement is not America, it's communism

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Post by enlightenedfool »

Zetice wrote: post #149
mikewarot wrote: post #99

I abhor any system that results in second hand citizens, such as the H1B program. It suppresses the general welfare, in service of capital. If I were able to, I'd give everyone in the program an immediate option for citizenship, and then cancel it. We clearly need to reform our immigration system.

H1Bs aren’t second hand citizens, and canceling the H1B program would trigger an immediate humanitarian crisis, not to mention completely shut off America’s main advantage in innovation; the idea that we don’t care where you’re from if you’re great at what you do.

That may be the original idea, but the focus on the worker and ignoring their lives and family is brutal. Moving between jobs or location is difficult. Going outside the country may land people in trouble. It’s not slavery, but feels like one at times. Of course, it’s a choice, but they do live as second hand citizens.

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Post by dudul »

Zetice wrote: post #207
dudul wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not joking. Countries are made to protect their citizens first.

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People immigrated there because it was needed at the time. What was good centuries ago may not apply today.

Yes permanent residents in the US/Iceland/Australia/Spain/whatever should get priority over temporary visa holders in their respective country.

This is the whole point of countries.

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Post by manuelabeledo »

imwillofficial wrote: post #184
manuelabeledo wrote: post #100

“Low paid”? I’m an immigrant myself and know how the visa application process works. There are a few mechanisms in place to prevent H-1B holders to receive lower wages than their colleagues, first and foremost the PERM, which guarantees similar wages in the same occupation and area of employment. If Google or anyone else are hiring H-1B visa holders directly, they have to pay them accordingly to their own standards.…

Yes low paid. I get paid more than every H1B I know who is a level above me in my role.

And I don't believe that is the case, unless we are talking about hired vs outsourced employees.

H-1B salaries are publicly available. If what you say was true, don't you think that a country as notoriously litigious as the US, wouldn't have started a massive class action lawsuit against tech companies a long time ago?

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Post by vinay_ys »

cj wrote: post #125
caoilte wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

H1B is a lemon market for those signing up just the same as those surrendering their passports and ending up a working prisoner. Each might luck out, but they're more likely to get exploited and regret their decision. And it gets worse every year. H1B might not meet the legal definition of modern slavery even though many are trapped just as effectively by the system but everyone in evolved with employing them is mora…

If the H1B program is really this bad, and if everyone involved is truly morally compromised, would it be better for the US to shut the H1B program down completely?

Surely you can think of something more nuanced than that extreme option? You can fix the visa program such that you can attract the most talented immigrants and treat them with respect for the contributions they make to your society?

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Post by Zetice »

enlightenedfool wrote: post #215
Zetice wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

H1Bs aren’t second hand citizens, and canceling the H1B program would trigger an immediate humanitarian crisis, not to mention completely shut off America’s main advantage in innovation; the idea that we don’t care where you’re from if you’re great at what you do.

That may be the original idea, but the focus on the worker and ignoring their lives and family is brutal. Moving between jobs or location is difficult. Going outside the country may land people in trouble. It’s not slavery, but feels like one at times. Of course, it’s a choice, but they do live as second hand citizens.

No, they do not, both because they’re not citizens at all, and that they’re still very highly paid, even though perhaps less than they should be.
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