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Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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#151

I mean, no kidding. Half the people I work with are H-1B. The program takes jobs away from Americans and should be illegal. I want to work with people from my town, not people from halfway across the world.

Why are Americans more deserving of jobs then other people?

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#152

I abhor any system that results in second hand citizens, such as the H1B program. It suppresses the general welfare, in service of capital. If I were able to, I'd give everyone in the program an immediate option for citizenship, and then cancel it. We clearly need to reform our immigration system.

Yes, literally everyone but employers is worse off because of the system. It depresses wages for everyone. The limitation of worker supply might even hurt employers enough to make up for their benefits as well. Like tariffs, this hurts everyone involved because of misguided, protectionist instincts.

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#153

Generally not supposed to say this out loud, but being the only American on an all H1B team at these companies can be absolutely brutal. Very alienating, always missing out on back channel communications, no sympathy for missteps

The only scenario where this makes sense is if the "all H1B team" is all from the same country / speaks the same language. The issue is not "all H1B", it's the lack of diversity in the team.

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#154
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why "not supposed" to say out loud? Sounds simply as a problem of the only X on a team of Ys. Cultural (and other) differences can be hard, it is just a fact of life. Think of it as being in the shoes of a lonely non-American in the country of Americans, if that is any consolation.

Therefore you are saying that having diversity leads to bullying and that you’re ok with that. It’s always the goal, after all.

That’s actually the opposite of what they’re saying. Lack of diversity leads to bullying.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

#155

Generally not supposed to say this out loud, but being the only American on an all H1B team at these companies can be absolutely brutal. Very alienating, always missing out on back channel communications, no sympathy for missteps

I’ve been the only US citizen on a team and now I am on a team with exclusively white, remote employees. I’ve watched my current team build the worst systems I’ve ever seen while constantly congregating themselves.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

#156

Generally not supposed to say this out loud, but being the only American on an all H1B team at these companies can be absolutely brutal. Very alienating, always missing out on back channel communications, no sympathy for missteps

I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English, and it's frustrating spending hours every day just being an English teacher to an engineer who writes at a 5th grade level. The problem with hiring too many H1Bs is they speak to each other in Chinese and thus take forever to become proficient at communicating with the rest of the company. Also,…

My old boss in academia went through a “hire tons of Chinese chemists” phase and it got so bad he just had to eventually ban Chinese from being spoken in the lab. That seemed to work well and their English improved greatly and understanding in the lab went up. When they went back to China, hopefully they got more out of their experience here also. They learned new techniques instead of just doing things the same way they had always done them.

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#157

“Low paid”? I’m an immigrant myself and know how the visa application process works. There are a few mechanisms in place to prevent H-1B holders to receive lower wages than their colleagues, first and foremost the PERM, which guarantees similar wages in the same occupation and area of employment. If Google or anyone else are hiring H-1B visa holders directly, they have to pay them accordingly to their own standards.…

H-1B have no leverage and can get in emergency hire situations. This encourages exploitation. Like a slave they might be lucky and have a good master.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

#158

High flying tech jobs bonanza is over. Check back in a couple of years

Best move right now is to go into freelance/consulting and wait for big tech to recover. Still plenty of money to be made that way.

Right now the consulting market is at zero.

18 months ago i was talking to 4 recruiters in parallel, turning down jobs and making companies outbid each other.

Today the only recruiters who will return my calls are the ones who have gotten me jobs in the past and they all said they don’t have anything. One of them talked about an opportunity that might exist in 3 weeks time that he’ll put me in for if it gets the go ahead.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

#159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I want to work with people from my town Nobody forces you to work with people from across the world, quit your job and find one that only hires people from your town

Sounds impractical to me. In fact every company I've worked for is flooded with non-Americans. It would be tough to find a company that only hires Americans. I think a better solution is to end H-1B. Nobody is forcing people to come here.

SpaceX apparently

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

#160

Meta-question, but what in the world is going on with that website URL? It has another URL for the same domain specified as a query parameter? I feel my sanity slipping...

It's got "europe" in the URL which makes me think it's related to GDPR compliance somehow, especially given the lack of ads on the page.
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