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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by AlecSchueler »

Eisenstein wrote: post #242
theclansman wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like in our society we're always beta testing everything before researching its effects, shouldn't we research the effects of internet pornography in kids before allowing them unlimited access to it? I think the same thing should be done with social media. There's obviously a thin line where you have to use common sense (where do we start and where do we stop?) but the consensus has always been that this is ad…

> shouldn't we research the effects of internet pornography in kids before How do you propose we do that ethically?

You can interview people about their past experiences.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by sh4rks »

ActorNightly wrote: post #260
Myrmornis wrote: post #226

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What age would you suggest having these conversations so that the kids' porn-viewing sessions can commence?

As early as 4. Not jumping straight to porn, but starting sex ed. It works very well in Netherlands, where teens end up having much healthier relationships, fewer sexual partners, and less unwanted pregnancies.

In what world is sex-Ed comparable to hardcore pornography?

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by trc001 »

It seems that the better law would be to require sites carry some standardized nsfw/18+ tag or marker so they could easily be filtered by parental controls. Sites in violation could be fined if they did not include the marker.

There would probably still be trivial ways to work around this (e.g. content blocker to remove the marker) but it would be no more trivial than the current vpn workaround and it would be more privacy preserving.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by mc32 »

berkes wrote: post #231
mc32 wrote: post #218

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Usually what happens in this environment is immature/ underage people are exploited. You don’t have to look far. The local track in your nearest city or megalopolises in India where adults sell off children, among other places in the world. In Mexico the local business guys go into the town plaza in the evenings and chat up young girls, in Japan you get “compensated dating”. These are all places where they let those…

You describe pornography depicting underage people. I'm sure there's consensus on why that is bad. I was, however, questioning whether minors consuming pornography is (always, and/or provably) bad.

Do you think there is or isn't deleterious effects when children watch misogyny at a young age, what about watching programming that would show the beating of animals, even if animated and just for "fun", or programming that shows being "fat" is undesirable and indulging in bulimia is desirable (what could be wrong with over-eating and then just vomiting excess, right?)

No, I think there are things young minds should be shielded from some things to avoid future mental developmental consequences.

You know how movie directors make a movie and in their mind a given movie is supposed to be propaganda against something, but for people lacking this cultivated framework it's a celebration of doing the wrong thing? Take a movie about how being a gangster is bad --but for many moviegoers it's an invitation to the "glamorous" life or power, respect and success...

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by least »

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #167
coldpie wrote: post #92

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The analogy breaks down when you remember that everything you do on a networked computer is effectively public information. In a physical store, you can show the clerk your ID, they'll verify the birthdate, sell you the "secret item", and then forget your name & face the instant they move to the next customer. But to do the same thing online, you are associating your name & face with the "secret item" to literally ev…

> In a physical store, you can show the clerk your ID, they'll verify the birthdate, sell you the "secret item", and then forget your name & face the instant they move to the next customer. This is not exactly correct. The clerk might, but not the database the card was scanned into. Depending on the secret item such as certain OTC medications, alcohol, tobacco, the information is not forgotten but kept for an extende…

This depends on what you're buying and where. In Virginia we have an ABC (Alcholic Beverage Control) which is the only place you can buy spirits. They do scan your ID. The grocery store does not. The restaurants do not. The porn shops presumably do not, either. Basically the only other time might be to buy something like sudafed at a pharmacy, but I haven't done so recently enough to know if that's actually scanned at all, either.

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Post by [deleted] »

mminer237 wrote: post #188
shhsshs wrote: post #180

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I am guessing something like the device knows its owner is under 18, and websites can query “is the user under 18” to disable itself.

So it would be up to Google and Microsoft to verify people's IDs, tie their identities to their devices, and ensure only verified persons use a device? That sounds 1000% worse for privacy.

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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by ctvo »

miroljub wrote: post #272

Pornhub forced to block Utah, but not Iran. One state is a democracy, the other is an undemocratic clerical state. Now, close your eyes and try to guess which is which.

> One state is a democracy, the other is an undemocratic clerical state.

> Now, close your eyes and try to guess which is which.

Utah is the democracy? Doesn't seem too tough. Their elected officials passed a law, we assume with the will of the people. You disagreeing with the law doesn't change their status as a democracy.

> Pornhub forced to block Utah, but not Iran.

One has enforcement mechanisms that can actually hurt Pornhub, and the other is Iran. Big ole shrug here too.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by ActorNightly »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #271
ActorNightly wrote: post #262

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This isn't the place to preach about your religious "purity" dogma.

What did they say about either religion or purity?

Anti porn or anti sex sentiment is rooted in religion. Even if the person isn't practicing religion, him or her holding these views are indicative of some religious upbringing with the standard amount of brainwashing.

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Post by DougN7 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #212
theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

Except despite the vast amounts of counter-evidence, people still are somehow dumb enough to think that hiding stuff from kids works (drugs, guns, porn, e.t.c). Porn is absolutely fine for kids to watch as long as the parents properly contextualize it. The issue is that somehow societally accepted that its taboo to talk to your kid about sex at an early age, and plenty of otherwise normal parents are embarrassed to d…

Porn is very addictive to many people (Reddit has some great posts by many people trying to break free) - anything that gives you a huge dose of dopamine for little effort can be dangerous to someone’s life (not medically dangerous, but certainly emotionally and motivationally). It’s like saying drugs are absolutely fine because they don’t destroy everyone that take them. Or maybe alcohol is a better comparison.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by ActorNightly »

sh4rks wrote: post #282
ActorNightly wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As early as 4. Not jumping straight to porn, but starting sex ed. It works very well in Netherlands, where teens end up having much healthier relationships, fewer sexual partners, and less unwanted pregnancies.

In what world is sex-Ed comparable to hardcore pornography?

Who said anything about hardcore pornography? 2 people having consensual romantic sex is still porn. Nothing wrong with educating a kid how sex works by showing him/her a video of that.

At some point later in the years, the kid will probably stumble onto some hardcore porn, but if you contextualize it properly, he/she will understand that its not how real relationships work.

In the same way, its ok (and probably good) if your teen tries weed/alcohol under your supervision, with the proper education around it, but you aren't going to give your kid like a heroin injection just because he/she is curious. But the fact that you establish trust and educate your kid about drugs that he/she will certainly come across is the more important bit about them staying away from harder drugs. Instead of outright ban, and then kid discovering how good weed makes them feel, and then going out and trying harder drugs.

Like I shouldn't have to explain this basic concepts to people. Really makes me worry about all the parents raising their kids these days.

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