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Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by sneak »

gpm wrote: post #32
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #26

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"Antitrust is okay if you have a fast processor"

"It's not my personal responsibility to attempt to enforce antitrust against companies by boycotting them at significant personal expense".

Additionally, it is still (for the moment) possible to engage with Apple computer hardware without using any of their bullshit services (like the App Store) into which all their anticompetitive behavior has so far been constrained.

This is of course not so on Apple mobile devices: it's dox yourself to the App Store or GTFO over there.

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Post by sixothree »

solarkraft wrote: post #188
asciimov wrote: post #113

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How far back do you sit from this monitor? Do you use resolution scaling? The last time I tried a large format display, I couldn't move back far enough to make it work but I really loved working in 4k without scaling.

Currently around 70cm due to the size of my desk, but I'd like to eventually move back to something around 120 eventually, as that's what provides maximal comfort.

I have the exact same setup as you (samsung 55) and my monitor is 76 cm from the front of my desk.

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Post by robenkleene »

jeroenhd wrote: post #166
robenkleene wrote: post #122

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And are you thinking the solution for people who do need a powerful GPU is eGPUs and Mac Pros?

I don't think Apple cares much for those people, they can buy the Mac Pro or a PC if they really need the GPU power. eGPUs can be a nice addition, but I doubt Apple will release an official eGPU system. You're already limited to AMD GPUs after the clusterfuck of a fight Apple and Nvidia had, and I doubt Intel's Xe lineup will receive much love for Apple right after the Intel CPUs have been cut from Apple's products.…

How would you fit Apple's AR/VR ambitions into this perspective? (I.e., given AR/VR has steeper GPU requirements, both on the consumption and creation side.)

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

flohofwoe wrote: post #216
kumarvvr wrote: post #156

Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.

Give Mac software a few years to "catch up" and everything will feel just as slow as usual (and I'm not even joking, so far, software was always excellent at undoing any advancements in hardware very quickly).

Is there an equivalent to Parkinson's Law ("Work expands to fill the available schedule"), where software expands to fit the available performance?

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Post by anuragsoni »

mwint wrote: post #70
anuragsoni wrote: post #43

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This will obviously not be comparable to a tiling window manager, but I've been pretty happy with Rectangle [1] on my mac. The keyboard mappings are pretty easy to configure and i've found it to work well even in multi monitor setups. [1] https://github.com/rxhanson/Rectangle

+1 for Rectangle; I've been using it ever since it was Spectacle. There's nothing I really miss about a proper tiling window manager (though I'm sure hardcore users would disagree)

> There's nothing I really miss about a proper tiling window manager (though I'm sure hardcore users would disagree)

Agreed. I mostly just needed the keyboard driven window snapping I was used to on Gnome and rectangle has filled than need 100%.

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Post by mcphage »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #244
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #241

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I'm no silicon architect but isn't this why performance is so good? They can cut out all those extra pcie lanes and extraneous stuff and focus on performance. If you start adding back big I/O won't you just be back down to Earth with everyone else?

Not really. The main reason the M1 doesn't have good IO is that it's a beefed up ipad CPU. This was the first generation where they were putting the chips in systems that can use IO, so they probably are just behind on the design for those parts of the chip.

> The main reason the M1 doesn't have good IO is that it's a beefed up ipad CPU. This was the first generation where they were putting the chips in systems that can use IO

Could you explain what you mean by this? I don't think I understand.

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Post by ojbyrne »

samgranieri wrote: post #55

I really want the next MacBook Pro to support driving two 4K monitors over thunderbolt and have an option to buy 32 gigs of ram.

My current MBP drives 3 4K monitors and has 64 gigs of ram. Perhaps I’m not clear on the point you’re trying to make.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by flohofwoe »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #284
flohofwoe wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give Mac software a few years to "catch up" and everything will feel just as slow as usual (and I'm not even joking, so far, software was always excellent at undoing any advancements in hardware very quickly).

Is there an equivalent to Parkinson's Law ("Work expands to fill the available schedule"), where software expands to fit the available performance?

"Software is a gas; it expands to fill its container." - Nathan Myhrvold

PS: apparently the quote is from 1997, go figure.

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Post by matwood »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #256
kumarvvr wrote: post #156

Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.

Amazon's Graviton 2 is the M1 of the server world in my experience. It's faster, cheaper, and overall a better experience than any other instance type for most workloads. You have to get through a bit of a learning curve with multiarch or cross-compiling to ARM64 depending on what your codebase is like, but after that it's smooth sailing. Azure and Google need to really step up and get some competitive (or even any)…

Agreed. I'm busy transitioning everything I can to Graviton2 for the $/perf savings.

For my Java services so far, no change. Aurora was a button click. ECS is the next thing to tackle.

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