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Security, fraud, and lack of a physical paper trail.
What physical paper trail currently exists? For a voice vote, there's no counting; for a standing vote, there's no individual identification of senators; for a roll call vote, it's centralized through the clerk anyways.
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The whole world besides Anglo countries is using photo ID to vote. The article basically says people don't have a way to get it in 10 mile radius which is ridiculous. You really think you get ID in Germany everywhere in 10 mile radius? No, you take a bus to nearest city that offers these services.
Whole world? Seems that there are plenty of locations that simply mark your thumb to vote, no ID needed. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_ink
I'm honestly not going to check every country on the list, but it's blatantly false in South Africa where I've voted before. And I'm going to bet it's false for a lot of other countries on that list too, like India.
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Is there some part of the way states that already do it are doing it that you take umbrage with?
Scenario: I'm living in a household with three roommates, unrelated to me. Maybe they're not granted the right to vote. The mail-in ballot arrives and is completed by one other than myself, without my knowledge. How do you prevent this? Signing the envelope that you return the ballot in would further de-anonymize the vote. I'm asking not out of snarkiness but because I don't know.
- The signature on on the envelope, not the ballot. You put your ballot into a privacy sleeve and then into an envelope. You seal the envelope, sign the envelope, and then mail it.
-- The signature has to match (as judged by a human). If it doesn't, they contact you for additional verification.
-- The ballots are separated from the signed envelopes and put in a separate bin before they are counted. The counting process has election observers (just like all states do) so I'm sure this procedure is properly followed.
- Ballots are supposed to arrive 2 weeks before the election. If you don't get your ballot, you fill out a "vote cancellation form" and they invalidate your missing ballot: https://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/voters/
-- This prevents other people from voting for you, but it does require attention on your part.
- Additionally, ballots are assigned a random ID with a detachable QR code. The ID is specific to the individual paper ballot, not the voter. Once ballots are opened and counted, this ID will published online so that you can make sure the paper ballot you filled out was counted.
-- This doesn't prevent anything, but it does let us know if someone is dumping/replacing ballots. It builds confidence that your vote is actually counted.
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Is there some part of the way states that already do it are doing it that you take umbrage with?
I'm not the person you responded to, but current vote-by-mail procedures do make it impossible to ensure a secret ballot.
1) You fill out the ballot, there is no identifying information on the ballot.
2) You put the ballot into a privacy sleeve, and then put the ballot into the envelope.
3) You seal and sign the envelope; then put it in the mailbox.
4) Your mail carrier takes the envelope and delivers it to the election commission.
5) The sealed envelopes are examined in person during the counting process to check that the signature is valid. (3rd parties can observe the counting process to make sure procedures are being followed)
6) The ballot in the privacy sleeve are removed from the envelope and placed in a separate box.
7) Boxes of ballots are counted by separate poll workers.
(If by "secret ballot" you mean people can sell their vote, mailed ballots can be cancelled with a "cancellation form". You can then request a new ballot by mail, or vote in person.)
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As someone who lives in a single party state with zero hope of my vote ever mattering in a federal election my vote would definitely be for sale if voting from home was the norm, not that anyone with a brain would buy it.
I agree - I don't think votes are worth much and would be willing to sell mine for $100 or so. I'm sure many people would do it for less.
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How do we do remote voting securely? The moment you move from a tiny minority voting by mail to the overwhelming majority voting by mail, the payoff for corrupting that process goes up dramatically.
Tiny minority? 100% of the citizens of Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah vote by mail. There is no other way to vote in those states, other than by mail.
> Can I vote in-person?
> Each county opens a voting center prior to each primary, special election, and general election. Each voting center is open during business hours during the voting period, which begins eighteen days before, and ends at 8:00 p.m. on the day of, the primary, special election, or general election.
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He was being farcical to make a point.
The problem with sarcasm on the internet is that it's nigh impossible to pickup on.
It's only a problem for the people who don't get it. And judging from the point total on my post, the vast majority of people got it.
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I'm not the person you responded to, but current vote-by-mail procedures do make it impossible to ensure a secret ballot.
Here's the process for WA; which step do you think makes it "impossible" for the ballot to remain secret? 1) You fill out the ballot, there is no identifying information on the ballot. 2) You put the ballot into a privacy sleeve, and then put the ballot into the envelope. 3) You seal and sign the envelope; then put it in the mailbox. 4) Your mail carrier takes the envelope and delivers it to the election commission.…
I don’t see any part of that process that would stop me if I told my employees “I’ll give you $100 if you show me your ballot then send it right away the day before the election”.
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Who do you like on CNN? Any specific shows you like over there? I named Don Lemon, but I also really dislike a lot of what Anderson Cooper talks about. Shep was awful. What alternate news sources do you like to go to for unbiased news? What forms of disinformation have you found? And I'd like to classify disinformation as a situation you feel they are being purposeful about misinformation. I believe we're both going…
> What forms of disinformation have you found? One example is the remarkably-common “mistake” of putting a “(D)” after the name of an obscure congressman or senator caught committing some crime or other, when the person in question was a Republican. Or the recent coronavirus coverage e.g. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/4907...
For example. We have done more testing in the USA than in Italy, we also have more deaths than Italy. When you look at Per-Capita the opposite is true. When you mix and match you can say, no we do more daily testing but THEY have more per capita deaths.
All of this is when I looked a few days ago, it's possible that there will be a period that we have the highest per-capita in one and not the other etc. But all of that tells a story when you look at it holistically.
Fox seems to be instead trying to balance Economics with the health implications. Which is a very important thing for us to consider and we as a world do with things like the seasonal Flu etc.
Mislabeling is ridiculous. My frustration came from their treatment of Yang and Gabbard. https://thehill.com/homenews/media/476951-cnbc-uses-wrong-ph.... Yes I know CNBC not CNN, but I've spent 30 minutes writing this and I've seen similar things at CNN.
Anyway thanks for your reply.
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Here's the process for WA; which step do you think makes it "impossible" for the ballot to remain secret? 1) You fill out the ballot, there is no identifying information on the ballot. 2) You put the ballot into a privacy sleeve, and then put the ballot into the envelope. 3) You seal and sign the envelope; then put it in the mailbox. 4) Your mail carrier takes the envelope and delivers it to the election commission.…
Selling the ballot was the concern, yes. I don’t see any part of that process that would stop me if I told my employees “I’ll give you $100 if you show me your ballot then send it right away the day before the election”.
* The ballots are sent to your home, not your workplace.
* Employers can ask for a picture of an in-person ballot.
Buying votes is illegal, which dissuades most people from buying votes. Your employees would turn you in, especially since people have very strong feeling about elections due to partisanship.