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US Senators Introduce Resolution to Allow Remote Voting During Emergencies

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Post by giantg2 »

Cerium wrote: post #177
9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole world besides Anglo countries is using photo ID to vote. The article basically says people don't have a way to get it in 10 mile radius which is ridiculous. You really think you get ID in Germany everywhere in 10 mile radius? No, you take a bus to nearest city that offers these services.

Whole world? Seems that there are plenty of locations that simply mark your thumb to vote, no ID needed. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_ink

Unless we are also cutting off hands for felonies, I don't think this will provide the same level of utility here.

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Post by dang »

I know nothing about the Senate resolutions process, but this seems to fall in the same ballpark as "bill proposal". Most proposed bills never go anywhere, so we usually treat them as off topic. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

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Post by nrclark »

salawat wrote: post #52
jschwartzi wrote: post #21

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Yes. People overlook this as well, that Roberts Rules of Order are primarily a tool for arbitrating discussion in huge groups of people. Technological solutions for managing these discussions exist or can be created now. So it's possible to have a virtual senate floor where the traditional rules of order are followed, people are allowed to speak, testify, etc. without being physically present in the same room. As lon…

How's a filibuster work when a surreptitiously orchestrated connection drop inevitably becomes ground for relinquishing the floor? Furthermore, part of getting everyone colocated with the apparata of government is to ensure unfettered access to staffers/resources. The Library of Congress isn't just there for decoration you know. It is actually there to be utilized. Furthermore, there is the potential for breach of hi…

Filibustering is an emergent property of profoundly broken processes in our Senate. If remote meetings force some procedural change, that's probably in everybody's best interest.

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Post by FreakyT »

9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #158
idontwantit wrote: post #140

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Voter ID laws are often used to disenfranchise poorer voters by creating bureaucracy mazes or DMV-like conditions to stop voters from acquiring the necessary credentials. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/chal... Anecdotally, as someone who was living in poverty before I got into this line of work, I did not have a state-issued ID and did not have time to waste or even the inclination to get one…

The whole world besides Anglo countries is using photo ID to vote. The article basically says people don't have a way to get it in 10 mile radius which is ridiculous. You really think you get ID in Germany everywhere in 10 mile radius? No, you take a bus to nearest city that offers these services.

What you're forgetting is that Germany actually has functioning public transit, while the US doesn't.

If you don't have a car, you're out of luck if the DMV is 10 miles away.

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Post by karatestomp »

giantg2 wrote: post #199
Frondo wrote: post #155

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It has not. Oregon has had vote by mail exclusively for over twenty years and, in the 2016, with over two million votes cast, 54 problematic votes (according to an audit done by the then-republican secretary of state.)

54 across the state is good. In Philly, we have about 6k dead people voting in presidential elections.

I can't find any evidence of this with a search. Was this a joke? I can't tell.

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Post by 12xo »

kfrzcode wrote: post #204
12xo wrote: post #147

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Where do you live? Are you registered to vote, and have you actually voted in local, state and fed elections? Serious question.

I have, I live in the United States (Minnesota). I've voted absentee and I've even worked in local election offices. The process is fragile and fragmented at best.

Can you cite any instances of this "fragility" being abused? There have been very few instances of voter fraud. Fraud in elections is common, that's how we end up with criminals and liars in charge...But election fraud is virtually non-existent.

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Post by javagram »

salawat wrote: post #52
jschwartzi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. People overlook this as well, that Roberts Rules of Order are primarily a tool for arbitrating discussion in huge groups of people. Technological solutions for managing these discussions exist or can be created now. So it's possible to have a virtual senate floor where the traditional rules of order are followed, people are allowed to speak, testify, etc. without being physically present in the same room. As lon…

How's a filibuster work when a surreptitiously orchestrated connection drop inevitably becomes ground for relinquishing the floor? Furthermore, part of getting everyone colocated with the apparata of government is to ensure unfettered access to staffers/resources. The Library of Congress isn't just there for decoration you know. It is actually there to be utilized. Furthermore, there is the potential for breach of hi…

CSPAN is already broadcasting the house and senate floors today, and committee meetings. There is no worry about breach of sensitive information, you could literally turn on cable TV and watch it before. e.g. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/watch-us-house-panel-holds-h...

There are some closed door hearings with sensitive information, where such security precautions would be needed, but that’s no excuse for not at least restarting the hearings and actions that would have been public before.

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Post by giantg2 »

specialist wrote: post #169
eanzenberg wrote: post #70

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The right supports mail-in ballots with voter-id, and voter-id in general. The left doesn't support that, why?

My voter registration says "Mike Smith" and my driver's license says "Michael Smith". Would you let me vote? I got married and took my husband's name. I've got mix of paperwork during transition. Would you let me vote? I voted at the same polling location for 30 years. I've never driven a car. The only photo ID I have is my medical card from the VA. Would you let me vote? -- For the record, what The Left demands is m…

I agree we need modernization. Do you have any links to how we can provide vote tracking/verification and voter eligibility while maintaining anonymity? It seems this type of system would work well for some other subjects.

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Post by gmanley »

12xo wrote: post #138
calvinmorrison wrote: post #108

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Do you think with 10+ million undocumented immigrants - a not insignificant portion of the population, but not citizenry - that people should not be concerned about ensuring only valid citizens can vote?

Please cite any study that validates this ridiculous claim. Have you ever voted? Are you even registered to vote? Reading this makes me think you have not and have never... Registration requires verification, address, name, etc. You dont just show up and cast your vote. The problem is in many rural and poor communities. Many people do not have a birth certificate, many do not have a DL and believe it or not, it costs…

While I agree with your point, and this doesn't change that, saying most of this country is rural is misleading. Rural areas cover 97% of the nation’s land area but only contain 19.3% of the population (about 60 million people). And only 9% of that 19.3% live in what is classified as very rural, meaning their entire county is rural. [1]

[1]: https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-210...

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Post by irrational »

malandrew wrote: post #40
irrational wrote: post #36

I know this is talking about Senator voting, but I feel like it is time for states to seriously adopt mail-in voting like Oregon (and other states). We have to assume that there could be a shelter-in-place order in the future during the beginning of November. Better to prepare now rather than to scramble for a solution at the last minute.

How do we do remote voting securely? The moment you move from a tiny minority voting by mail to the overwhelming majority voting by mail, the payoff for corrupting that process goes up dramatically.

Tiny minority? 100% of the citizens of Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah vote by mail. There is no other way to vote in those states, other than by mail.
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