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Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Is that because hunger has been diminished, or because obesity has increased?

I believe both are true.

I thought I read that obesity is growing faster than undernourishment, but I can't find a source on that now.

It looks like the number of obese [1] and undernourished [2] humans are both currently 700-800+ million.

1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5477817

2. http://www.fao.org/3/I9553EN/i9553en.pdf

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I was surprised how much meat people smilingly throw away in NewZealand - when I was asked to "just throw it in the trashcan" around 30dkgs of perfectly delicious and cooked meal I simply refused and walked away. My muscles were literally blocked to make that movement of my arms, swiping a plate of meal to the bin. Around ~25 other people did not have any problems with it, so I guess the problem is in me.

Not just in New Zealand. It hurts me when I see people not finishing their plate. I will eat myself sick before I will throw away food. Sadly, this has developed into a bit of a weight problem. And then there's restaurants and supermarkets which throw away enormous amounts of unsold food. We should buy and cook less food, or maybe have a quick way of sharing left-over food with people who are hungry.

Better to waste than to waist.

(Yes, take less on your plate, save leftovers for future meals, etc.)

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It's not. The American Dietetics Association states as its official position that a vegan diet is healthful and adequate for all stages of life: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864 There's currently quite a bit of debate over whether or not plant-based diets are better than other diets, but not over whether or not they are healthy.

> for all stages of life Even for babies?

My son has been vegan for his entire life. He’s 4 now and very healthy.

I was vegan for 5 years and about 6 months ago started eating meat and dairy again for reasons unrelated to food. I was raised in a household that ate meat with almost every meal. I have personally experienced pros and cons to both lifestyles, but would argue that in practice, a vegan diet is healthier for most people due to the nature of food options available to them.

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Smoking cigarettes and cigars was also once considered a delicious and ingrained part of many cultures. It is now clear that processed and red meats cause bowel cancer, and the environmental impacts they pose are also becoming more and more clear. Just like smoking ended in a generation I can definitely see people rejecting these products in the near future. Cultures change all the time.

I don’t agree. Diet is an integral part of one’s culture. Smoking cigarettes is a needless vice mostly pushed by marketing. I think you’re greatly underestimating how important food is to some cultures. I suggest you have a conversation about this with someone from a meat eating culture. It will give you more perspective on the staying power of meat.

I think you're under-estimating the grip tobacco had on society. Smoking was very common. Between the 1940s and 1980s over 40% of the population smoked. https://trends.collegeboard.org/education-pays/figures-table...

We used to give cigarettes out in Red Cross parcels. https://www.loc.gov/resource/anrc.08956/

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It seems like it would be easy enough to ban plastic fishing equipment. Couldn't they make the nets out of hemp, or something else biodegradable?

You think illegal fishermen in the Philippines (where the bulk of the waste in the whale originated according to the article) really care you’ve outlawed plastic fishing nets? Your solution needs to be extremely incentivized and also easy to enforce in those places of the world. “Banning” something will have a laughable impact and only affect people who never created the waste in the first place.

What you could do is subsidize biodegradable fishing nets so that they're cheaper than plastic ones. Then everyone everywhere stops using plastic ones because the only reason they were used to begin with was that they're cheaper.

That also requires the government rather than industry to pay the cost of its regulations, and explicitly choose how to raise the money rather than implicitly taxing fishermen (and fish) without ever evaluating whether that is the optimal funding source.

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Organic according the USDA means that you use manure to fertilize instead of biosolids and you use something like copper-based pesticides instead of glyphosate.

I don't know enough about agriculture to understand what that means, but I have heard that the US uses a different, presumably lower, standard for organic crops than the EU does.

> I don't know enough about agriculture to understand what that means, but I have heard that the US uses a different, presumably lower, standard for organic crops than the EU does.

It means exactly what you heard. The USDA Organic label doesn't mean that organic crops are sustainable. The organic label doesn't address problems associated with commercial agriculture: monocultures, wide-spread use of pesticides, fertilizer run-off into streams/rivers/ponds/lakes causing them to become hypoxic, destruction of wetlands to create arable land etc.

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Smoking cigarettes and cigars was also once considered a delicious and ingrained part of many cultures. It is now clear that processed and red meats cause bowel cancer, and the environmental impacts they pose are also becoming more and more clear. Just like smoking ended in a generation I can definitely see people rejecting these products in the near future. Cultures change all the time.

I don’t agree. Diet is an integral part of one’s culture. Smoking cigarettes is a needless vice mostly pushed by marketing. I think you’re greatly underestimating how important food is to some cultures. I suggest you have a conversation about this with someone from a meat eating culture. It will give you more perspective on the staying power of meat.

Not necessarily cigars/cigarettes, but tobacco has also played an important role in some cultures. I doubt Native Americans were using tobacco, sometimes for ceremonial and religious purposes, due to marketing

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Considering the current state of recycling, it may be better to just throw our plastics away instead of putting them in recycling bins. With China turning away our recycling, some cities have started burning them (according to recent headlines - I don't have a source). I would think that would be worse for our environment that putting them in landfills. According to the study by the Helmholtz Centre for Environmental…

The old strategy of burying garbage is looking better and better. We're literally sequestering CO2 by doing so.

And the problem with this is that things like batteries and other similar chemicals eventually seep into groundwater...

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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These stories rarely mention this for some reason but the bulk of the plastic junk in the ocean is discarded fishing nets, not consumer waste. Reducing the plastic waste you personally generate is still a good idea, of course, but if you really want to have an impact then stop eating fish. https://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/ocean-plastic-made-disca... https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/03/great-pacific-ga...

First of all this is not your common kind of whale, Is a beaked whale. As a sort of self-declared (minor) expert in the diet of Ziphius cavirostris I can tell you than this whale is not attracted by fishing nets normally IMHO. This species feeds at very deep waters and do not eat fishes normally. This plastic is sunken plastic.

I had personally get some kg of plastic from stomachs of the same species named in the article. I remember a sac (from manure I think), and a lot of the same plastic bags that you can find in the supermarket. I remember also a small commotion in the faculty by, uh, a lot of diluted blood that ended in the wrong pipeline slowly leaking just in front of the main entrance but this is a different history... don't make me talk about it :-)

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> I think you will have to back that statement up if you want to be taken seriously. This is such a mainstream statement that it seems to me entirely reasonable to omit a source. You can find dozens of them by looking up "vegetarianism" on wikipedia and navigating to the "health effects" section.

> This is such a mainstream statement that it seems to me entirely reasonable to omit a source Only in circles where alternative medicine is practiced, health-advice taken from unscholared internet-blogs and science is generally shunned. This very extreme claim certainly needs a source to have any sort of credibility.

>Only in circles where alternative medicine is practiced, health-advice taken from unscholared internet-blogs and science is generally shunned.

Completely false. Also, unscholared isn't a word

https://www.dictionary.com/misspelling?term=unscholared&s=t

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unscholared

https://www.onelook.com/?w=unscholared&ls=a

>This very extreme claim

It isn't

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