Can we just block Europe? Like, partition the internet or something... /s
European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don’t forget compliance with GDPR probably means it’s not possible to comply with this new copyright laws. Fun times for EU startups. P.S.: Taking some risks quoting Ayn Rand on HN. :)
> Don’t forget compliance with GDPR probably means it’s not possible to comply with this new copyright laws. Fun times for EU startups. GDPR is a good example of another law which is potentially dangerous. However, I do see that it's hard to comply with both, but I don't see how they interact with other. > P.S.: Taking some risks quoting Ayn Rand on HN. :) Why?
> GDPR is a good example of another law which is potentially dangerous. However, I do see that it's hard to comply with both, but I don't see how they interact with other.
The copyright law requires you to store metadata about the user who publish content forever while GDPR forbids you to do so.
> Why?
I would say most of HN leans left not libertarian.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Pay to send companies actual traffic? Pay to be allowed to use the basic building-block of the world wide web on the world wide web? It's absolute madness. Some people say that you can't solve political problems with technology but at this point it seems to me that politicians are ruining the web and there is no stopping them by political means. So it will have to be a technological solution. We need strong anonymi…
Perhaps the solution is political, but it involves breaking up the worlds current political order i.e. "democracy".
Listening to Yanis Varoufakis talk about what Greece went through you get the sense that what they have on the Europe wide level isn't exactly democracy.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook doesn't need to justify it. All they need to do is send a notice to their users asking for consent. How many of them do will read what that entails, and how many of those would decide their privacy is more important for them than facebook?
My understanding is that consent is not sufficient. In addition, data collection must directly serve a legitimate business purpose. Though I guess Facebook has lawyers willing to argue that anything they do serves their core business.
My reading of it was that you need either consent or a legitimate business purpose, not both.[0]
[0]: Article 6(1), https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
Enlighten me please, as I don't believe the reasons for passing it are genuine.
Surely they don't hand over cash, I didn't mean that, but they give benefits by different means.
Well, they have in the past:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_cash_for_influence_scanda...
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#286Technically, a law like this is prone to be abused for censorship purposes. Whether this “dual use” is intended or not by parliamentarian voters, is obviously unclear. To make it even worse, such laws don’t “outlaw” some behaviour, but put a high risk on it through civil law. So, it helps multinationals (and a possible malevolent regime) and hurts small companies as well as citizens. To me, it’s hard to believe this…
Don’t forget compliance with GDPR probably means it’s not possible to comply with this new copyright laws. Fun times for EU startups. P.S.: Taking some risks quoting Ayn Rand on HN. :)
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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Don’t forget compliance with GDPR probably means it’s not possible to comply with this new copyright laws. Fun times for EU startups. GDPR is a good example of another law which is potentially dangerous. However, I do see that it's hard to comply with both, but I don't see how they interact with other. > P.S.: Taking some risks quoting Ayn Rand on HN. :) Why?
> GDPR is a good example of another law which is potentially dangerous. However, I do see that it's hard to comply with both, but I don't see how they interact with other. The copyright law requires you to store metadata about the user who publish content forever while GDPR forbids you to do so. > Why? I would say most of HN leans left not libertarian.
> The copyright law requires you to store metadata about the user who publish content forever
Then GDPR does not forbid you to do so, Article 6.1 c)
> 1. Processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that at least one of the following applies:
> [...]
> c) processing is necessary for compliance with a legal obligation to which the controller is subject;
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Don’t forget compliance with GDPR probably means it’s not possible to comply with this new copyright laws. Fun times for EU startups. GDPR is a good example of another law which is potentially dangerous. However, I do see that it's hard to comply with both, but I don't see how they interact with other. > P.S.: Taking some risks quoting Ayn Rand on HN. :) Why?
> GDPR is a good example of another law which is potentially dangerous. However, I do see that it's hard to comply with both, but I don't see how they interact with other. The copyright law requires you to store metadata about the user who publish content forever while GDPR forbids you to do so. > Why? I would say most of HN leans left not libertarian.
> The copyright law requires you to store metadata about the user who publish content forever while GDPR forbids you to do so.
GDPR allows you to do so, if there is a requirement. Complying with another law is certainly a reasonable requirement. That's also why you're "allowed" to keep your invoices for ten years, because you're "required" to do so.
> I would say most of HN leans left not libertarian.
This might be true, might be false. A good discussion should incorporate different views. And back to topic: I firmly believe this law to be dangerous by itself and not because there is a (more or less) applicable quote by a controversial writer.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don’t forget compliance with GDPR probably means it’s not possible to comply with this new copyright laws. Fun times for EU startups. P.S.: Taking some risks quoting Ayn Rand on HN. :)
> Don’t forget compliance with GDPR probably means it’s not possible to comply with this new copyright laws. Fun times for EU startups. GDPR is a good example of another law which is potentially dangerous. However, I do see that it's hard to comply with both, but I don't see how they interact with other. > P.S.: Taking some risks quoting Ayn Rand on HN. :) Why?
Because her entire “philosophy” is egotistical selfishness, in her own words. So the opposite of good and profoundly ignorant. No point in rehashing 1000 year old debates that were settled long ago on this type of behavior.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#290Honestly, I think it might be better if these old news companies die off, and clear space for a newer generation that understands the internet better. We have 20 years years of anecdata now. The old news publishers will never make it online. They see their financials problems as being cause by a moral failing in society: " People do not value quality, and won't pay for it " or somesuch. They see the solutions as lega…
The "old news publishers" employ actual journalists . They should not be allowed to die off.
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