As a european citizen, I fear that this marks the beginning of a new age of china-like censorship in europe. The EU was a very nice idea that got executed very badly.
European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The best outcome would be if Google would refuse to link to any content of European publishers." Not so much sure that's the "best" outcome as the only possible one. As rich as Google looks, when you start dividing their income by multiple multiplicative factors it doesn't last long; the log of Google's income isn't all that large. On the other hand, Google definitely has a lot of cash to weather what to them will b…
There are quite a few similar rights. One example is that radio stations don't have enter agreements with individual rights owners to license songs. There is blanket fee. Similar payments are for playing music in bars, restaurants and other public spaces, for copying machines, blank CDs (and video and cassette tape), etc. All of those fees are set to collect money, not to kill of that use. The difference this time, i…
>One example is that radio stations don't have enter agreements with individual rights owners to license songs.
Isn't that because the music creator already entered an agreement with a rights organization? If the music creator didn't enter an agreement with a rights organization, the station would have to directly enter an agreement with the musician. The musician has the power to decide whether to sign with the organization or not.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if any of these people have received campaign funding from entrenched industries that benefit from draconian copyright laws? Having said that, GDPR has actually turned out to be a very well thought through piece of legislation - I actually agree with it's premises largely and the fact we can't take a database dump anymore and have full access to people's personal details is an extremely good thing IMO. How F…
Facebook doesn't need to justify it. All they need to do is send a notice to their users asking for consent. How many of them do will read what that entails, and how many of those would decide their privacy is more important for them than facebook?
What I mean is technical issues - searching an encrypted graph database has got to be very complicated!
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#254As a EU citizen I have always been (and still am) a strong advocate for the European Union. I think the founding of the European Union was one of the greatest things that could ever happen to European citizens. I full heartedly believe this institution played a major role in retaining the piece after World War 2. The concept of open borders in (most of) Europe is something I would never want to miss. But seeing the l…
> I full heartedly believe this institution played a major role in retaining the piece after World War 2.
Not this canard again. Countries that have known peace within their homeland territory post WW2 were countries that either owned nuclear weapons, or befriended a power that owned nuclear weapons. The EU has nothing to do with peace within continental Europe. In fact it could NOT stop extremely bloody conflicts like the Kosovo War from happening. But I guess 1998 is ancient history?
The nuclear bomb is the true peace maker. It's what made the US and USSR so frightened of even the possibility of a conflict between each other.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#255I once wrote a thesis on DMCA and Youtube during that huge Viacom vs Youtube litigation was going on. The copyright holders wanted to shift more of the burden of detecting and blocking copyright breach onto the web services by removing the DMCA safe harbor. Youtube ultimately won the case but they also implemented much of what Viacom wanted anyway - a fairly aggressive content filter that probably caught most of what…
> Are small content creators going to go through the trouble of negotiating payment schemes with each and every news aggregator
You don't have to do that. You can continue to let them steal your content I assume.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#256It was approved on in a committee of the European parliament (for legal matters), which means that now they will enter negotiations with the European Council and then after some time and processes laid out in Art. 293ff TFEU, it will be debated in the European Parliament at some point. So yes, there is still plenty of room and time to discuss this rather unfortunate policy. EDIT: For more info: http://www.europarl.eu…
Is there a list of who voted and how available anywhere?
Here's a previous projection: https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/saveyourinternet/, looks like the EFDD switched their votes.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#257Technically, a law like this is prone to be abused for censorship purposes. Whether this “dual use” is intended or not by parliamentarian voters, is obviously unclear.
To make it even worse, such laws don’t “outlaw” some behaviour, but put a high risk on it through civil law. So, it helps multinationals (and a possible malevolent regime) and hurts small companies as well as citizens. To me, it’s hard to believe this is not intended (like so many other (mostly) EU laws.
However, always bear in mind Ayn Rand:
> “Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against… We’re after power and we mean it… There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
Retaining the "piece"... WW2 ended in 1945. The EU came into being in 1993. Was it retaining it in previous guises as a trade federation - the EEC, and before that the European Coal and Steel Community? Or are you thinking of NATO? > The concept of open borders in (most of) Europe is something I would never want to miss. In what context? "I don't have to show my passport on holidays - yay!" or "people can drive from…
The European Coal and Steel Community was explicitly started to stop war in Europe. As the original proposal of the community said directly: "The solidarity in production thus established will make it plain that any war between France and Germany becomes not merely unthinkable, but materially impossible" [0]. Steel and coal (or more generally energy) are necessary in order to to wage war. Pooling these things in a su…
This claim that the EU/predecessor organisations have secured the peace since WW2 is often made but I think is impossible to verify, since we have no way of rerunning history without the EU in place. Some point to NATO as far more significant a guarantor of peace than the EU.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
In some countries you can do time for not disclosing passwords. In the UK it is 5 years.
Again, this is where plausible deniability setups kick in. Of course the EU can go full police state, but at that point I hope the regular citizens pushes back. The goal is to raise the cost of enforcement.
Problem is that you cannot pretend you can't remember the password. So unless what you hide can give you more time than for not disclosing the password, then yes having things encrypted could help...
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
So Google gets licenses to link to new sites for free, but smaller companies and private people's website cannot link to news sites?
Note the text 'and an inalienable right to obtain an fair and proportionate remuneration for such uses' The idea is to make it impossible to give Google a free license. The best outcome would be if Google would refuse to link to any content of European publishers.
Capitalism here. We'd just charge Google the absolute minimum amount (0.00000000001 cent per click) and outdo our competition.