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Post by hvis »

gambiting wrote: post #207
bilbo0s wrote: post #139

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I'll be honest with you... Chicago is very much a place where you take your chances. You can live in Streeterville for example, as rayiner alluded to in another post... but what happens when you go out with friends??? What if they want to go someplace in say... Wrigleyville... some night??? You're walking back to your car, or trying to get a taxi back to the loop, and you cross too close in front of a police officer,…

It sounds exactly like Russia to me. Same level or corruption and danger to regular citizens.

It may be different in the more rural regions of Russia, but I'm from Saint-Petersburg, and I've never seen anything similar to a police officer go "in 7-11's, local shops, etc, just walk in, take what the want, and leave". They're usually civil, and sometimes helpful (you can ask directions, etc).

There is corruption here, but it seems to be more prevalent among the civil cervants and the higher ranking police officials.

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Post by [deleted] »

s_q_b wrote: post #23
CPLX wrote: post #21

Though I agree that this behavior is reprehensible and probably criminal, the comments here seem to miss at least some of the human dynamic here. I can't hardly imagine that most people posting here would ever consider a job where literally every word or sound that came out of their mouth during their entire working life was recorded, and likely subject to public disclosure. Saying that this is what cops signed up fo…

If you're not intelligent enough to know that law enforcement interactions with the public are recorded on dashcams, maybe you shouldn't go into police work...

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Post by shitgoose »

shitgoose wrote: post #209
jMyles wrote: post #193

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> then what you have is not a police force, but a criminal organization. This is the only reasonable conclusion, and it's neither new nor particularly controversial. The real question is: what to do about it?

bend

to all the downvoters - you prefer being shot?

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Post by lhc- »

deskamess wrote: post #27
ghufran_syed wrote: post #17

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Part of what stops police from routinely infringing civil rights in the pursuit of justice is the legal doctrine that evidence obtained illegally is inadmissible, as is all evidence gained from further (lawful) investigation based on that evidence [1]. what is needed is a law that operates in a similar way, that states that in any lawsuit or complaint against the police, there is a presumption of guilt on the part of…

"Presumption of guilt" - that's not going to fly is it? I think the selective absence of evidence where it would normally exist is something that a jury (or investigating organization) should consider within the totality of the evidence presented. That way we can go start from a point of innocence and work our way through. Why are there options to turn the audio off anyway? In the grand scheme of things what you are…

"turning off" might be accomplished by something like breaking or unplugging the mic, or hiding it in the glove box (as was listed in the article). You are giving the officers unrestricted access to these vehicles for large segments of time; there's basically no way to physically prevent them from messing with the equipment, especially if there are no consequences for doing so.

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Post by maxxxxx »

sixothree wrote: post #172
bbarn wrote: post #74

Let's see.. in the 20 odd years here in Chicago, the sum of my police interactions are: Hit by a white shirt (supervisor) who came out of an alley on clark st while in a bike lane - somehow my fault, detained. Hit on foot, by a car with no lights on in a residential neighborhood while crossing at a crosswalk - somehow my fault for being outside while there was "a suspect being hunted" Watching officers on foot in 7-1…

The worst years of my life were living next door to an Orleans Parish Sheriff. He would follow my friends home, he would spit out his gum onto my sidewalk, he let my dogs out of the yard every day for a week, he would blow his leaves onto my yard, he would let his dog bark all day and all night, he would hang his running leaf blower on the fence at 8:00 in the morning on a weekend. I really could go on and on. There…

I have heard a lot of similar stories from credible people. Is there no department that people can complain to? It seems there is no interest in making sure that cops and prosecutors do a good job. You would think that somewhere up the chain people would be horrified by this lack of ethics.

I guess this bad attitude trickles down from DC.

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Post by logfromblammo »

tptacek wrote: post #220
callinyouin wrote: post #106

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I'm moving to Chicago in a few months. Are there certain neighborhoods that should be avoided on the basis of corrupt police activity? I wonder because I could see neighborhoods that are relatively safe in terms of civilian crime, but cops posted in that area might have nothing better to do than mess with its inhabitants.

The quieter the neighborhood, the less likely it is you'll ever interact with a police officer. If you're in your mid-20s, the typical places to end up would be Uky Village, Logan Square, Roscoe Village, Lincoln Square, and Uptown. You wouldn't want to live in Streeterville or Edgewater for reasons beyond the number of police there. If you're seeing lots of police in Wrigleyville, it's because the neighborhood is ove…

If you are white and in the wrong place, the police may approach you and tell you where you ought to be and how to get there. If you're white in white Chicago, police pretty much don't exist. They're who you call before your insurance company whenever a property crime occurs, and that's only because your insurer makes you.

You can compare maps at http://gis.chicagopolice.org/clearmap_crime_sums/startpage.h... and http://www.wbez.org/series/race-out-loud/where-we-are-mappin...

If you're black or Hispanic and in the wrong place, the police will approach you and try to find any reason. Any reason to what? Any reason to anything, that's what.

The racial segregation in Chicago is no longer enforced by real estate agents, redlining, and covenants. You can rent wherever you like in the city. But how often do you want to be forced to talk to a cop when you step outside?

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Post by throwastone »

fapjacks wrote: post #277
uremog wrote: post #235

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Funny, I lived next to a police officer once. He was the only one with illegal fireworks every New Year's Eve (in Hawaii, where aerial fireworks are illegal).

Now that's true, but I will say that HPD on Oahu are the most professional and legit police officers I've ever had to deal with. I lived in town for six years and had run-ins with the law and no complaints about their behavior, including a couple of times when I thought that surely I would end up being taken advantage of.

Seconded, HPD in my experience have been extraordinarily professional and helpful. 10 year resident of O`ahu.

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Post by finid »

shitgoose wrote: post #283
shitgoose wrote: post #209

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bend

to all the downvoters - you prefer being shot?

Perhaps they'll rather stand up to bullies, criminals and injustice, rather than say, "how low", when asked to "bend" by a bully.

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Post by a3n »

> “How they determine that it’s purposely caused damages, I’d like to know,” Angelo said last month. “How they can figure out what is mechanical or what is human error, I’d like to know.”

How video uploads significantly increase after the change in policy, with the same equipment and people, I'd like to know.

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Post by coldtea »

rhino369 wrote: post #194
coldtea wrote: post #51

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> I can't hardly imagine that most people posting here would ever consider a job where literally every word or sound that came out of their mouth during their entire working life was recorded, and likely subject to public disclosure. Well, if by "entire working life" you mean "every time they go in patrol or are on a call" then yes. Nobody is interested in their water cooler talks. > Saying that this is what cops sig…

>Well, if by "entire working life" you mean "every time they go in patrol or are on a call" then yes. Nobody is interested in their water cooler talks. I may be off base here, but cops seem to be on patrol for almost their entire shift.

Well, let's put it this way, we don't need to record what they say inside their police car while waiting the day to pass by.

But any chasing on the street, interaction with a suspect, raid, etc, should be recorded.

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