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Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by callmecosmas »

blhack wrote: post #86
eridius wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to take sides here, but I do take issue with the claim that the "forking" thing was fabricated, or was irrelevant, because the intent of the person who spoke it was not sexist or even meant as a joke. The fact is, the way language is interpreted by the listener is far more important than how it was meant by the speaker. And it should be pretty obvious that the phrase "I want to fork his repo" could be ea…

"Fork his repo" is a reference to git. There is nothing sexual about it. Here's a repo for my hackerspace's website. At the top right of the page is the word "fork". https://github.com/heatsynclabs/new-hsl It's worth pointing out that Adria isn't a developer, and might not have realized that this wasn't a sex joke, he was talking about flattering somebody by forking their git repo.

I mean I can see how that would be a sexual joke given a certain tone of voice.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by jasonlotito »

blhack wrote: post #7

I would also like a response from Sendgrid here. Somebody they sent to a conference, who was representing their company there, went on a personal vendetta against somebody and got them fired. That's awful, and I join the people I see online right now in saying that I cannot, in good conscience, ever do business with a company that supports that behavior. --And to how far Adria has set back womens' rights here-- The c…

I'm confused? SendGrid didn't fire the guy. So, by boycotting the SendGrid, but not the company that fired the guy, the problem is being offended and speaking up, not the firing.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by Zarathust »

blhack wrote: post #7

I would also like a response from Sendgrid here. Somebody they sent to a conference, who was representing their company there, went on a personal vendetta against somebody and got them fired. That's awful, and I join the people I see online right now in saying that I cannot, in good conscience, ever do business with a company that supports that behavior. --And to how far Adria has set back womens' rights here-- The c…

There is also relevant finger pointing to the company that fired his employee less than 24 hours after the incident. Now that is a company that I never want to deal with!

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by pencilcode »

lopatin wrote: post #73
mmanfrin wrote: post #44

I sure trust an anonymous pastebin from a throwaway account to make accusations about Adria's 'unfound accusations'. /s

Accusations? There's nothing to be taken on faith in the post. All facts are backed up by proof. There's nothing to "trust". Just stuff to agree/disagree with.

Yes, nothing like acusations of her lying

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by gsibble »

lizzard wrote: post #228
kalethrowaway wrote: post #55

Why wouldn't she approach them directly? This is such a weird interaction.

Because people don't respect those requests and just joke more, get hostile, mock us. It is not about personal publicity. The fallout from reporting incidents like this (or documenting them at all in public) is extreme. It isn't good for the reporter.

That sounds like an appropriate time to escalate the situation publicly if you are mocked and is absolutely inappropriate when it happens. But how does posting it publicly on Twitter instead of privately asking for it to stop not result in hostility or mocking? Seems like it does....(this thread is case in point).

(not disagreeing, just trying to gain perspective)

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by [deleted] »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #198
rmk2 wrote: post #81

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Fefe is by no means "most Europeans", though he is quite well known as a ("political nerd") blogger in Germany. His comment on the matter, however, is less that of pointing and laughing and more that of worry, especially considering that there were some mild(er/ish) issues along similar lines in the wake of the 29C3. As a quick and dirty(!) translation of this blog post: http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=afb76b8d "The 'sexual…

> Smaller cons might possibly not admit women anymore LOL? Is he serious here? If so I have to say he is misguided about how cons weigh of priorities. No con could get sponsors while denying admittance to all females.

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Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by oh_sigh »

wpietri wrote: post #268
oh_sigh wrote: post #240

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If you wanted your scenario to be equivalent, you should have had the men making jokes about the size of their dicks. If the two men at PyCon were making jokes about how virgin vaginas were the best, I don't think they would be getting the outpouring of support that they seem to be getting from the tech community. You're very bad at crafting illuminating tales.

I wasn't trying to sketch an equivalent situation. He said he couldn't understand why the jokes were a problem. I tried to help him understand. In particular, to viscerally understand the experience of being unsafe, and how a joke can contribute to that.

Please learn to read more carefully.

He said he didn't understand why these "jokes" are supposed to be offensive to women. He did not say why any jokes are supposed to be offensive to women.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by jessaustin »

zem wrote: post #146
Karunamon wrote: post #93

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>But it's also inappropriate (read: fucking insane) to boycott a company because you don't like what one of their employees posts on their personal twitter account. What's good for the goose... I.e. if it's only fair for someone to be canned based on the postings on some random's personal twitter account, it's only fair for it to work in reverse. Employers can people based on their personal lives all the time. Also,…

here's the point: it's not only fair. in fact, by expecting sendgrid to can adria you're implicitly supporting what the other guy's company did, at which point you really have no complaint.

Ummm, my reading of the thread is that we're not going to do business with Adria's employer because of her actions. That's a different thing.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by SODaniel »

wpietri wrote: post #191
Joeboy wrote: post #142

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Indeed, I am really puzzled as to why these "jokes" are supposed to be offensive to women. They might be offensive to people raised in some cultures / subcultures, and they don't sound like they're great jokes in any culture, but nobody ever told me about the meeting where women decided knob jokes were offensive. In fact a female friend texted me one about an hour ago.

Imagine this situation: You are walking down the street. It starts to rain, so you duck into the nearest business, a bar. You order a beer, and realize that you have stepped into a gay bar. The table behind you starts making jokes about how virgin anuses are the best. They are pretty big guys, leather daddies. You worry they're talking about you, about your anus. You worry. That feeling of discomfort? The way your he…

WHAT?
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