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Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by Fnoord »

direwolf20 wrote: post #121
sgjohnson wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ISPs are the worst. DTAG is not just a run-of-the-mill consumer ISP. They are a global Tier-1 carrier. Which of course makes their behavior all that much worse.

You don't want a tier 1 carrier as your ISP because they are severely limited in connectivity — they only connect to paying customers and other tier 1s. They are to be used as a last resort by the tier 2 ISPs, who provide good packet routing by selecting the best routes from among several backbones. Never thought I'd see this play out in practice, especially with a consumer ISP. Normally this comes up with server hos…

The day when T-Mobile NL (nowadays known as 'Odido') started routing all traffic via DTAG to 'save costs', and latency increased because in NL you were routed via Frankfurt. And after complaints they actually insisted on this. Then the company got bought by investors, who immediately changed this back, and also changed the name of the company.

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Post by cheese_van »

My offhand impression is that when I was in Germany, consumers were oddly suspicious of the Internet in general and very suspicious of social media in particular. That suspicion was somewhat translated into a lackadaisical attitude about service quality. Perhaps that attitude is finally changing because DT simply won't care unless there is a sufficiently large enough vocal public to force the issue.

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Post by Fnoord »

bobmcnamara wrote: post #197
MarkusWandel wrote: post #105

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The "glass fiber modem" is an inherent part of the GPON network. These are complicated. The "P" stands for "passive". Yours and and up to 127 other houses are all on the same "light domain" i.e. the downstream is passively split, and the upstream is passively combined, in optical boxes that don't even have electrical parts. This needs crazy accurate timing for the upstream. The head end needs to know the exact delay…

I cloned mine into an SFP+ for a handful of microseconds of latency improvement.

Less W usage as well.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by Fnoord »

ccozan wrote: post #9

Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Solution: I got my Starlink. 3x speed. No crappy service. Weather independent. And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ]

> Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live.

Haha, I used to have that as well when tech swapped from ADSL2 to VDSL2 (IIRC skipped out on VDSL1), except then the line wasn't down, I'd have severe packet loss (which resulted in lag in gaming, and disconnects). So they blamed our inner house's phone lines. Then some dude came, checked everything in the house, and couldn't find the issue. I said of course not, it isn't raining.

After it got escalated further it turned out it was rotten equipment at the DSLAM. They replaced it and boom, problem was gone.

No hair on my head (and I ain't bald knock on wood) wants to have all my internet traffic first routed through an American neonazi, but if the choice is nothing (or something severely broken) or that, I can see where you are coming from. Whereas I can pick between FttH (XGS-PON), DSL (VDSL2), or cable. With the latter two being fiber up till a few hunderd meters to my house (I know where both PoPs physically are in the neighborhood, as I have seen technicians on both places). The fiber one is further away, and larger (for more households), but that is OK. It can handle that much distance. Technician showed me a photo from his smartphone when my fiber got down due to specifically my fiber connectivity destroyed at the PoP. That was a lot of fiber I saw. Good cable management though.

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Post by hermanzegerman »

zhouzhao wrote: post #249
hermanzegerman wrote: post #248

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It's not that bad, I pay 8.60€ per month for 30GB, and they also threw in a cheap Android Phone in the 12 Month Contract. Also Switzerland being included is at least for me a nice perk that O2/Vodafone don't offer. But compared to other European Countries offerings it's obviously shit. Also Fraenk is even cheaper than Congstar

8.60€ per month? Certainly not from DTAG themselves, right?

It is, but it was a limited time promotion

https://www.teltarif.de/telekom-aktionstarif-prepaid/news/10...

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Post by lwde »

madduci wrote: post #247
lwde wrote: post #122

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You have the right to router freedom even with FTTH. And fortunately, with DTAG FTTH, you can also book 1und1 with good peering (:

router freedom yes, but the Telekom Black Box that takes as input the Fiber cable is still a real "black box" that needs to be installed

nope, just remove the Telekom Black Box/ONT and get a GPON SFP (Like Luleey or FS) and register that mac.

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Post by hermanzegerman »

ekianjo wrote: post #18
anthonj wrote: post #5

Germany always surprise me with continuous contradiction in their society. Largest economy in eu but very unstable and riddled with wierd burocracy. Strongest worker protection, but very large amount of lobbysm. Most advanced railway system in eu, transformed into a joke by interdiction from said lobbies. You have to pay a "radio tax" to help funding press and keep it independent, but then fuck net neutrality. And I…

> Most advanced railway system in eu France is certainly better

Certainly not. Nobody wants to book his train 2 weeks in advance to reserve a seat, because otherwise it's "sold out". Also Commuter Rail (TER) is a total Joke outside of Ile-de-France. Sometimes also even with mandatory reservation. I think SNCF confuses itself with an Airline

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Post by holowoodman »

perching_aix wrote: post #252
namibj wrote: post #230

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In Germany it's wrong.

How does it work in Germany?

You may either rent/buy a device from your ISP, or you may bring your own, at your discretion. ISPs are required to accept all devices, of course if your device kills the network segment, they will kill your connectivity. But they can't refuse to let you connect.

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Post by attendant3446 »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #85
attendant3446 wrote: post #37

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My experience was slightly different. I mean, yes, there pretty much no 'non crappy' German internet providers, but nothing was as bad as Vodafone.

Not true. https://www.lwlhome.de/

I didn't say there are none at all. And I've heard that internet from small internet providers can actually be good.

But after living in 3 different apartments there, I never had a luxury to be able to connect the internet from a small provider. Their coverage is very, very limited. So it always was Telekom/Vodafone/o2.

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Post by hedora »

lippihom wrote: post #203
7bit wrote: post #179

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That's Germany in a nutshell.

2026 - 40 = 1986 was right before more mainstream internet adoption. Yep checks out, Germany today.

Were the trains running on time in Germany back then? They certainly were 20 years ago, so I assume they were in the 80's.

Maybe "strictly worse than 40 years ago"?

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