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Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Well, time to pick up Tylenol shares on the dip.

I considered that when the news hit but didn't. Even if there's nothing to the report and it's forgotten in a week, that sound you heard Friday was tens of thousands of trail lawyers jizzing in their pants. $1.8 billion powerball ain't got nothing on the payday they're looking at.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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There is research correlating autism and mothers taking certain medications (painkillers, antidepressants). Since autism is hereditary, there is a significant chance that these mothers are autistic too. Autistic people have a vastly high risk of depression, and often have unusual pain thresholds, requiring more painkillers. I would not be surprised of the correlation was real, but the direction of action was reversed…

This was my thought as well. I’m likely on the spectrum (as I have learned recently, because of my kids) and I would consider myself hypersensitive. To a variety of sensory inputs - noise, smell, touch, heat, cold, tickling and probably also pain. The latter being hard to quantify of course.

But I could certainly imagine that a mother with autistic traits could be someone who takes painkillers more often than the average person.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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If Paracetamol was invented today it would likely never receive an OTC (over the counter sale, meaning you can just buy it from a retail outlet the way you'd buy cough medicine or toothpaste) license in the UK. Yes, it's safe (and for a bunch of people including me, effective) at the licensed dose, but it's useless at about half that dose, and it's toxic, leading to very nasty deaths in some cases, at just about 3-4…

Always surprises me as an American in the UK how hostile the UK is to paracetamol. You buy it in like 300-pill packages in the US, and I've literally never heard of anyone having a single accidental over-dose. I'm not sure I've ever heard of anyone intentionally overdosing on it, but I guess I can't rule that out since I'm aware of who 1-2 people personally have taken "a handful of pills". The efficacy window of driv…

The small packages available in the UK are entirely to reduce the chance of suicide.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Paracetamol was invented today it would likely never receive an OTC (over the counter sale, meaning you can just buy it from a retail outlet the way you'd buy cough medicine or toothpaste) license in the UK. Yes, it's safe (and for a bunch of people including me, effective) at the licensed dose, but it's useless at about half that dose, and it's toxic, leading to very nasty deaths in some cases, at just about 3-4…

Always surprises me as an American in the UK how hostile the UK is to paracetamol. You buy it in like 300-pill packages in the US, and I've literally never heard of anyone having a single accidental over-dose. I'm not sure I've ever heard of anyone intentionally overdosing on it, but I guess I can't rule that out since I'm aware of who 1-2 people personally have taken "a handful of pills". The efficacy window of driv…

iiuc it's really hard to OD on tylenol but really easy to end your quality of life through drug interactions with tylenol

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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> The only side-effect is euphoria. > … > the problem is with […] people misusing / abusing them. I think these two facts are inextricably linked, and is what makes them indirectly dangerous for some people.

I do not disagree. Ultimately, it is "pick your poison[1]". [1] Or others will pick it for you (control, regulation, whatever). You said "some people", which is true. I do not experience euphoria from opiates and I am sure I am not alone with this. In my case it is a blessing because I do have an addictive personality. Some other people do not get psychologically addicted to opiates despite euphoria. There is a great…

I think the stronger point of what you're saying is if you can set yourself to avoid addiction—you have a time limited dose, you have no means of acquiring more—then opiate painkillers are the safest option in terms of potential damage to your body.

There's no avoiding it when it comes to some people's chronic pain but it's a tragedy we've ruined the reputation for opiate painkillers because they were prescribed for long periods which all but guarantees addiction. Folks in US hospitals have to unnecessarily suffer short term acute pain because squeamishness around prescribing effective painkillers in a situation where there's virtually no risk.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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post #164

There is research correlating autism and mothers taking certain medications (painkillers, antidepressants). Since autism is hereditary, there is a significant chance that these mothers are autistic too. Autistic people have a vastly high risk of depression, and often have unusual pain thresholds, requiring more painkillers. I would not be surprised of the correlation was real, but the direction of action was reversed…

> Since autism is hereditary, there is a significant chance that these mothers are autistic too.

Yep. Two of my 5 are clearly HFA (1 diagnosed) and another shows strong indications. My wife and I have numerous family members that are somewhere on the spectrum. It's how this works.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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And nausea. Yuck.

Some people have it. Some do not. I have taken very large amounts of opiates before and I have never ever experienced nausea from them. I think you are not likely to experience it at lower doses from say, codeine or hydrocodone either, but honestly, it varies by individuals. It would suck if I experienced nausea, and it would equally suck if I experienced euphoria from opiates, because I have an addictive personality…

The risk of NSAID ulcers can be vastly reduced by Pantoprazole (Protonix®)

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Here's the relevant study from earlier this year: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/using-acetaminophen-during-pre... It's a meta-analysis that considered a bunch of individual studies, their effect size, and their quality. It claims that Tylenol use has increased alongside a 20-fold increase in autism rates, suggesting causation, and recommends immediate efforts to reduce Tylenol use during pregnancy. One objection that…

> One objection that I've seen is that the lead author, Dr. Baccarelli, has a conflict of interest because he was an expert witness in a lawsuit about acetaminophen and neurodevelopmental disorders.

Every charlatan researcher grifting on bogus autism data really is just copying Andrew Wakefield's homework

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Sure it can. Type 2 diabetes is both hereditary and lifestyle/behavioral influenced . Same with cancer, if you have cancer in your family your risk of getting cancer is higher. I would say most medical issues are both. Heart disease, gout, obesity, hypertension,strokes,asthma etc.

Let me put this a bit differently: Type 2 diabetes is both genetic and can be acquired during one's life (e.g. through bad dietary choices). But a man who develops diabetes does not acquire genetic T2D by doing so - he cannot pass it on directly to his children.

You could get a Nobel prize or two by proving this statement.

How we pass on acquired traits to offspring is not well understood at all. We know there’s a mechanism, but not how it works or how selective it is.

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