Is there a peer-to-peer tool that allows communication and can circumvent chat controls?
gee, I wonder! I think there's one that's along the name of a mathematical table of values with a .org TLD...
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It would help whom and to achieve what? How do we know they're not lying? And how do those numbers justify irreversible surveillance of everyone's most private thoughts? A terrorist organization isn't going to use Facebook Messenger to discuss their plans, they'll use a vetted application that doesn't have a backdoor.
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found schrödinger's idiot
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Well just go ahead and apply to Brussels to get your EU passport back then? Obviously you can't, because there's no such thing as EU citizenship. It doesn't grant citizenship, and cannot because that would require it to be an independent nation recognized by other nations as such. There is only citizenship of member states. Playing with words doesn't make something real, it only confuses people.
You can state your “alternate facts” all you want while ignoring actual truth, doesn’t make you right.
You’re right indeed that there is a real legal concept in EU law called EU citizenship, which everyone with the nationality of an EU member state holds. The other commenter is wrong on that point.
But the other commenter is also right that there is not the kind of independently existent EU citizenship that would persist when one ceases to be a national of an EU member state - it gets lost in that case even if the reason for this change is not an individual loss of the member state’s nationality but because the member state withdrew from the EU. The ECJ definitively settled this last year. Nor are EU passports issued on the basis of EU citizenship, nor would EU citizens typically include “EU” as one of the answers if they are asked by a government to list all their citizenships or view themselves as dual citizens if their only national-level citizenship is from a single EU member state.
For several reasons like this, it’s not at all unreasonable for the other commenter not to view EU citizenship as a real citizenship of its own, despite the use of the term under EU law.
Personally, I view the term EU citizenship in part as a briefer shorthand for “national of an EU member state” - including in the definition whatever edge-case handling is appropriate for each country’s special-case territories, and therefore more precise in a predictable way. Beyond that, it’s just a symbolic reflection of the EU’s official aspirational policy goal of ever closer union.
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>Is it your Biden (where is he?) He's currently at Rehoboth Beach in Delaware and he will be campaigning in Pittsburgh on Monday. https://rollcall.com/factbase/biden/topic/calendar/ https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/30/us/politics/harris-biden-...
At the beach again! What a great life as a president! I’m sure he gets to solve many of the US problems thinking carefully at the beach…
That's a cheap shot that's not even related to your own point from one comment ago.
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At the beach again! What a great life as a president! I’m sure he gets to solve many of the US problems thinking carefully at the beach…
That's a cheap shot that's not even related to your own point from one comment ago.
Not related? Surely I’m still commenting on my parent’s post:
> I think a good democratic system will not have a new leader every year but maybe every 4-8 years.
I’m saying that this democracy is an illusion as long as you have puppet masters controlling these “democratically elected” puppets like Biden.
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Even if that argument somehow statistically works/worked, sometimes it should be mentioned: I would rather have some 3 terror attacks more per year, than having privacy of millions invaded and our way of living destroyed, just to prevent those 3 cases. It would be letting the actual terrorists determin how we live, what rights and privacy we are allowed to have.
> I would rather have some 3 terror attacks more per year, than having privacy of millions invaded and our way of living destroyed, just to prevent those 3 cases. End to end encrypted chat for the general public has only been available for ~15 years. On the web, SSL is ~30 years old. PGP is ~35 years old. As far as I can tell people's way of living now is largely the same as it was back before any of those were aroun…
Private chat has been around forever. Encryption is just an implementation detail of how to bring private chat to cyberspace.
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#277Okay, so all Western societies are bound to go surveillance state in near future, unchecked by judicial forces and social credit systems to top it off. It will happen and we can only postpone it. What is the response to that of the technologically competent segment of society? Will this give birth to a rogue cyberpunk culture of hackers and cowboys? Or are we facing an era resembling a black mirror episode with smile…
> What is the response to that
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
The root problem is that those in government do not fear any consequences for acting against the interests of the people they supposedly serve.
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Let's be fair, in a real democracy, there would be no government secrets... I mean.. we're paying for all that, we need to know. Imagine being an owner of a company, and having some middle managers talking stuff in secret and saying that you don't need to know stuff, just let them use the money, and you don't even get to see the contracts.
That would be nice but it would put you at a significant disadvantage compared to authoritarian/totalitarian states which would certainly have very terrible consequences.
You can say the same about the decision making: in a democracy it's hard to agree on an action, whereas a dictator can just do anything.
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> What the GP was referring to was those jailed for inciting violence and hatred during the wave of riots the UK suffered last month. My friend, I didn't refer to that at all, there's no need to lie. You were referring to those cases, not me.
Then perhaps you can share what other recent cases there have been of people jailed for posting stuff online. And please don’t call me a liar. You said it was recent, and they were jailed. I don’t know of anything else besides the incidents I’ve covered. Worst case is I’m misinformed. And if that’s the case then I’m sorry. But I assure you that I’m not a liar.
Well you said I said something I didn't, I don't have to call it a lie, I can call it Fernando, but you still did it.