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Post by brailsafe »

al_borland wrote: post #160
tiffanyh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. I remember history a bit differently. I recall lots of people dismissing the iPad as " just a big iPod Touch".

There were also a significant number of jokes about the name, relating it to a feminine hygiene product. I bought one day 1 and pretty much everyone thought I was nuts and just an Apple zealot. However, as I took it places and used it, people saw it and became much more interested and took it more seriously as a product.

I was definitely in the former camp, and eventually bought one because other people seemed to like it, and so took it more seriously as a product. But.. it was after buying it that I realized the emperor didn't really have any clothes, and it was either mostly an expensive status symbol for people who couldn't care less about the money, or a device with just a few specific and very useful purposes. My grandpa uses it for Planespotting, which seems perfectly appropriate to me. Now it's been 10 years, and I've never really thought about buying another one, because it's just not a general computing device that I've been able to make useful for a breadth of things I use devices for. It's only ever been effective for reading reference books, playing YouTube videos (before the app and browser support went away), reading pocket articles, browsing the web, and maybe a few games. Everything else just didn't prove effective, for me anyway. Even trying to watch regular videos on it is a total pain.

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Post by Rudism »

joshstrange wrote: post #168
pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

> The hands-on sessions that Apple gave to journalists earlier this week seemed a bit underwhelming. The reporter for the Verge wrote that it feels like the Quest, but with higher resolution. That's my #1 issue with the Quest and productivity/work is what I most want out of a VR/AR device at this point in time. Gaming on the quest was fun but it wore off (really shined playing with friends online but people are busy)…

The Quest 2's resolution was almost there for me--I could even spend a few hours at a time working on code in Immersed before I started to feel the eye strain. The Quest 3 has made it good enough that I could go all day if I wanted to. The only real sticking point now is the discomfort of wearing it on my face for that long.

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Post by dcchambers »

lukev wrote: post #191

A lot of people in the comments here complaining about the price, but honestly it makes a ton of sense to me. Apple isn't positioning this as a peripheral or secondary computing device. They are staking the claim (via price and otherwise) that this is a whole computer that you should use for Very Serious Productivity. Whereas the iPad (for example) was always kind of assumed to be a secondary/casual computing device,…

If the only way to install software is via a regulated app store, it's not a general purpose computing device for serious computing.

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Post by canuckintime »

safwanc wrote: post #7

tl;dr on costs: 256GB - $3499 | 512GB - $3699 | 1TB - $3899 AppleCare+ - $499 | Battery - $199 | Travel Case - 199

There's still no confirmation if the battery is hot swappable or not. Also Apple removed the text about passthrough charging. I'm surprised there's no option to purchase a bigger battery (the connection is proprietary; it'll have to be in partnership with Apple)

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Post by HDThoreaun »

bitcurious wrote: post #235
FergusArgyll wrote: post #116

I think their big advantage vs meta is no controllers, I also think that is an underrated advantage.

It’s an advantage for passive entertainment but means the device isn’t a real contender for a lot of games.

Its not trying to be a contender for games. The price alone should make that obvious. This is a productivity device.

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Post by drewbug01 »

rchaud wrote: post #228
jsheard wrote: post #198

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There is a variable there in that there's an optional over-the-top strap included in the retail package, but many of the people who previewed it either chose not to use it or weren't offered it. MKBHD for example emphasized how heavy it feels, but he wasn't using the top strap. https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1747367564093624348

I'm imagining Steve Jobs responding to an irate customer with "you're strapping it in wrong".

I mean, I can see the comparison!

But on the other hand, they took the feedback this time and created a different strap to address it (and early reviews seem to indicate it does help quite a bit).

So - lols aside - I don’t think it’s quite the same thing. I think they realize it’s a real issue for some people and they’re trying to address that earnestly.

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Post by al_borland »

brailsafe wrote: post #271
al_borland wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were also a significant number of jokes about the name, relating it to a feminine hygiene product. I bought one day 1 and pretty much everyone thought I was nuts and just an Apple zealot. However, as I took it places and used it, people saw it and became much more interested and took it more seriously as a product.

I was definitely in the former camp, and eventually bought one because other people seemed to like it, and so took it more seriously as a product. But.. it was after buying it that I realized the emperor didn't really have any clothes, and it was either mostly an expensive status symbol for people who couldn't care less about the money, or a device with just a few specific and very useful purposes. My grandpa uses it…

I can agree with a lot of this, depending on the user. I’m pretty similar to you. I got it and used it, because it was new and novel, but over time the usage faded. I tried going back to the iPad mini, since I liked that form factor best, but it’s sitting a few feet from me, powered off, and hasn’t been used in months.

My dad on the other hand, who is one of the people who bought and iPad after seeing mine, uses it all the time. He actually has 2 of them, a 10” and a 12.9”, and he uses both of them regularly enough that he feels they are both justified for his use cases. He still does use his Mac as well, but his iPads get a ton of use for reading the news, email, photography related things, and maybe some other stuff. He’s retired now, so that might be part of it.

Maybe if didn’t work in IT and simply consumed whatever the apps allowed me to consume, I could get by with an iPad as my computer, but I want to do stuff an iPad can’t do. I also pretty much always want a keyboard and mouse, and when that’s always bolted on to an iPad, it might as well be a MacBook. I never found the appeal of touch screen laptops.

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Post by nerdjon »

dpkonofa wrote: post #268
nerdjon wrote: post #253

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Sidecar is isolated though isn't it? Like I know I can use my mouse on my computer to control the Mac screen on my iPad, but I didn't think I could move my mouse over to control iPad apps? I honestly have not used that feature much so if it can do that... that makes me rethink the usefulness of this.

You’re describing Universal Control. Macs have 2 separate features. Sidecar allows you to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac. Universal control allows you to use one keyboard/mouse to control multiple Apple devices in proximity. If you use both together, you can use an iPad as a second display for a Mac and use that Mac’s keyboard and mouse just as with any other secondary display.

I am going to have to play with this tonight, while I know it won't be exactly the same it will give a good enough indication of what this workflow will be like.

That might sway whether or not I get this thing. Being able to more optimally work while away from my desk is worth... a lot.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

zamalek wrote: post #203
reustle wrote: post #192

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I’ve done countless long trips on motorcycles and have never been bothered by the weight of the helmet. I’m curious if a little bit of exercise will counter any discomfort with this. Seems other headsets have had similar complaints, too.

VR enthusiast here. A heavy thing hanging off the front of your face is extremely different to a helmet on top of your head. Wait for reviews and pay particular attention to how Apple have approached that issue.

Heavy and Balanced is more comfortable than Light and Unbalanced.

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Post by globular-toast »

tempoponet wrote: post #256
globular-toast wrote: post #214

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Hmm... so you use multiple monitors to emulate a tiling window manager, but with far less flexibility (you can't divide your workspace into four equal parts, for example).

I've never seen a window manager that treats subdivisions of the screen like 1:1 physical monitors at the OS level. They generally just resize windows, take over the entire monitor when you click "fullscreen", and display errors/prompts in the middle of the monitor, overlapping your other windows. Similarly, these subdivisions can't themselves host virtual desktop spaces. Surely there's some Linux window manager that…

Yes, but it's a minor issue of software configuration. Tiling WMs like sway can definitely do it. It seems weird to choose worse hardware to compensate for deficiencies in a window manager configuration.
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