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Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by ninkendo »

globular-toast wrote: post #171
nerdjon wrote: post #24

Must admit, as this got closer I contemplated getting it more and more. Especially as I find myself using my laptop a lot on the couch and bed. Just the ability to have a larger screen without worrying about my physical Mac screen is a fairly large selling point, plus any other features. I assume there has not been anything about the ability to have multiple virtual Mac screens has there? That would likely make this…

Why would you need multiple virtual screens? With no physical limitation you should be able to have one screen as big as you want it.

I think the virtual mac screen is limited to 4K resolution, which means you can “zoom” it as much as you want, but you won’t be able to fit “more content” on it. That is to say, there’s a difference between having a huge screen with a matching huge resolution (which can fit more windows with the same text/content size), and what the Vision Pro is going to emulate, which is more like taking your existing 4K monitor and blowing it up (making each window/text/etc correspondingly bigger, and potentially looking blurry if it’s too big.)

You can probably work around this by adjusting the compositor into a “more space” mode in preferences which makes all the content smaller, but it’s not the same as having arbitrary resolution to match the arbitrary virtual size.

Personally, I don’t want a virtual screen at all, I want all the individual windows on my Mac to hover around me in virtual space (like they do for native visionOS apps), but that’s not supported. It’s a real shame IMO.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by smoldesu »

dpkonofa wrote: post #237
hu3 wrote: post #199

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A better comparison would be 2024 Quest dev kit which costs less than half of Vision.

Except that wouldn't be a first-gen product and doesn't have the same capabilities so no... that wouldn't be a better comparison. Does a Quest Dev Kit even exist in 2024? I thought you just buy the headset now?

> Except that wouldn't be a first-gen product

And that's... a downside?

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Post by jsheard »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #252
jsheard wrote: post #26

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Resolution is the killer for that application. The panels in the Vision Pro are dense, but through the distortion of the optics and with those pixels stretched over your entire field of view only a fraction of them will actually be displaying your virtual monitor(s), and as you scale a monitor down in virtual space it also becomes lower resolution. For comfort and ergonomics you don't actually want a giant monitor th…

23 million pixels, divided by two, makes 12.5 MP per eye. Let's assume it's nearly square, so taking the square root gives us 3535 pixels in height and width. This graphic claims 3400x3400 resolution, so we're not far off: https://i.redd.it/apple-vision-pro-resolution-vs-other-heads... Frustratingly, the spec sheet doesn't list FOV, but let's assume it's on the order of 110 degrees. That gives us about 31 pixels per…

Another detail to consider is that your 24" monitor is probably benefiting from subpixel font rendering effectively tripling the horizontal resolution of text, but that can only work on a pixel-perfect display, not on a virtual display which is scaled and transformed before being displayed on a real panel.

I agree low DPI monitors are still acceptable, I'm using one now, but that's really contingent on subpixel fonts.

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Post by ch_sm »

scarface_74 wrote: post #187
ynniv wrote: post #14

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No wireless? Less space than a Nomad? Lame Historically, reviews of Apple products based on their specs have aged poorly.

I got one better https://512pixels.net/2009/01/early-macintosh-reviews-show-d... John Dvorak > Apple makes the arrogant assumption of thinking that it knows what you want and need. It, unfortunately, leaves the “why” out of the equation — as in “why would I want this?” The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a ‘mouse’. There is no evidence that people want to use these things. I dont want one of the…

John Dvorak is golden claim-chowder. So influential yet so wrong.

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Post by gumby »

tiffanyh wrote: post #36
pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. I remember history a bit differently. I recall lots of people dismissing the iPad as " just a big iPod Touch".

They did, but before it was released it was predicted to cost over $1000, often confidently assumed to be well over a kilobuck. Instead it was $499. It was also much thinner and with better battery life than the experts had predicted.

It was more of a shock than the M1 was in recent times.

Not defending Apple here: I do believe the Vision Pro will be a resounding "meh".

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Post by mdaniel »

Nokinside wrote: post #96

Similar specs and price as XR-4 from https://varjo.com Wipes the floor with Oculus and others, but IMHO 90Hz refresh rate not enough for truly immersive VR/AR experience. Once the initial fascination wears out, you are not going to use it as replacement for the big screen. VR/AR needs improve technically and find killer apps and must-have games.

Since that website uses the aggressively stupid "talk to sales" tactic, the "find a retailer" link a the bottom is more informative: https://www.adorama.com/vr0017500.html ($3990) or the platinum plated version at $9990 https://www.adorama.com/vr0017400.html both of which are "on backorder until March 2024"

I got a dystopian chuckle out of "Varjo XR-3 Headset with Perpetual Offline License" for $10990 (but free shipping!!1) https://www.adorama.com/vrjvr3d.html so maybe the $3990 XR-4 is just the hardware, and it's another $X for the license to use it

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Post by dpkonofa »

smoldesu wrote: post #262
dpkonofa wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that wouldn't be a first-gen product and doesn't have the same capabilities so no... that wouldn't be a better comparison. Does a Quest Dev Kit even exist in 2024? I thought you just buy the headset now?

> Except that wouldn't be a first-gen product And that's... a downside?

I never said that. I was only arguing against the idea that that was an equal (or more suitable) comparison.

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Post by dpkonofa »

nerdjon wrote: post #253
dpkonofa wrote: post #229

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Since that's basically how Sidecar works, I would imagine that this will work the same way. Copying between Apple devices is seamless with iCloud and Sidecar automatically connects displays via Bluetooth/WiFi discovery. Same goes for AppleTV and that's way more underspec'd than a Vision Pro.

Sidecar is isolated though isn't it? Like I know I can use my mouse on my computer to control the Mac screen on my iPad, but I didn't think I could move my mouse over to control iPad apps? I honestly have not used that feature much so if it can do that... that makes me rethink the usefulness of this.

You’re describing Universal Control. Macs have 2 separate features. Sidecar allows you to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac. Universal control allows you to use one keyboard/mouse to control multiple Apple devices in proximity. If you use both together, you can use an iPad as a second display for a Mac and use that Mac’s keyboard and mouse just as with any other secondary display.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by xu_ituairo »

bvoq wrote: post #162

I would like to buy one for my company without prescription glasses. For employees with vision impairment, contact lenses are the preferred option. Do contact lenses work with the apple vision pro? Does anyone know this?

The pre-order process says it may have trouble with hard contact lenses, but soft are fine

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by blensor »

dpkonofa wrote: post #224
HumblyTossed wrote: post #154

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As much as you guys mention them, I have never, ever experienced an "Apple fanatic" in real life. I'm probably the closest thing to an Apple fanatic and that's only because I buy a lot of their products. I pre-ordered a Vision Pro because I see a lot of use for my business and some new avenues for services I can offer to clients. I'm not tempering any expectations. I'm very excited for this thing.

I think we don't really need to look that far. I have never seen a Hackernews posts that downvoted so many completely normal replies like in this one. I am expecting this here to be downvoted the same just for mentioning it.
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