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One can see multiple confident and very different explanations in these threads. They can't all be correct at the same time. But at least it's people trying to unwrap what's going on and there are good responses and back and forths et.
The article does not explain the background. What relation does Tesla have to Swedish workers? Is there a Tesla Gigafactory in Sweden?
This headline is out of context. From what I read, postal workers striking said that Tesla should not be allowed to collect plates themselves because it's a job of union workers. Tesla went to court and got an early judgement (that they can collect) while the case goes on. Don't really understand if they really went to courts to force postal workers to deliver and I think it's unlikely as the law is pretty clear.
The larger context is Gigafactory in Berlin. The workers in nordic region are trying to encourage them to form a union. This strike does not really hurt Tesla that much, but if there is a strike in berlin, they would not be able to manufacture any car for the region. This also explains tesla's stance. They cave here, and will have to cave in Berlin too.
The key player in this regard is IG Metall, the one most aggressively pushing workers to unionize on the entire continent.
What I said and more can be found here: https://www.ft.com/content/d9317830-3b1d-4c03-9a8e-bb2073a84... Good context, but FT too reckons that tesla should accept the union and CBA, so take it as you will.
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So what you're saying is the union is forcing them to not deliver to Tesla?
The union doesn't force anyone, it's a collective action, the workers are the union, they've decided to not deliver to Tesla because Tesla is infringing on the most fundamental labour right in Sweden. Stop thinking about Nordic unions as a boogeyman, a mafia, or whatever other "oppressive" figure you want to make them out to be, the way unions work here is different than what you are probably used to. It's a cornerst…
That's a strange way of putting it. Is the us federal government notification not "forcing" anyone to pay taxes, or not smoke weed, because the us is a democracy and therefore it's "collective action"?
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Tesla is refusing to sign a collective bargaining agreement which is basically the norm in Sweden. This has been going on for a couple of weeks and garnered a lot of attention in Swedish media and social media. Sweden has a strong tradition of unionization which clashes with 'big American capitalism'. Swedish subreddits have lately had frequent posts with the comment sections filled with comments that more or less in…
The strike has been ongoing for a couple of weeks but in the result of Tesla refusing to negotiate despite five years of attempts from the union. So it’s actually ongoing for +5 year
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- Libertarians assume more job mobility than actually exists. - Libertarians overlook all the problems with markets that Adam Smith identified. It's as though they never read the second half of the book. - Libertarians overlook how existing players raise barriers to entry for existing markets. - Libertarians overlook the collusion between market players and government to share power and wealth between both. - Liberta…
Libertarians are just people who thought they could learn everything they needed from studying economics without learning any history or sociology. Everything has a simple solution until humans get complicated.
The Guardian kept the most picante part for the end. Perhaps because it might undo the “Tesla is losing” sentiment the media want to conjure up? “In a case related to the PostNord action, a court on 27 November ruled that the Swedish Transport Agency must find a way to get licence plates to Tesla. The agency has appealed against the decision. Some Swedish pension funds have urged Tesla to sign the agreement with the…
https://www.dn.se/ekonomi/tesla-far-vanta-pa-registreringssk...
Fuck these companies that think they can break the unions our former generations built for the purpose of being treated fair. Americans don't get it. We Scandinavians are not built on a cultural foundation which circles around creating our own safety nets. We are not lucky. We worked hard for it for hundreds of years. Same thing goes for Wolt or Uber etc. They are not welcome here if they can't treat workers by their…
Can you tell me more about the safety net thing? As an American I actually don’t understand that point. Are you saying culturally your family wouldn’t feel obligated to be a safety net if another family member was struggling? And that the unions defacto provide that sort of guarantee?
So a shipping company is refusing to deliver packages to a specific company? This sounds like a shakedown.
What is striking here is that the Government offices all use the services of PostNord. So Tesla has no choice over using PostNord, they are mandated by law to do so to receive their plates, yet a private interest group can arbitrarily deny them access to public services. There is a lot of verbiage about how Tesla is shooting itself in the foot for peanuts, and I guess it's a legitimate position to hold. The far large…
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What is striking here is that the Government offices all use the services of PostNord. So Tesla has no choice over using PostNord, they are mandated by law to do so to receive their plates, yet a private interest group can arbitrarily deny them access to public services. There is a lot of verbiage about how Tesla is shooting itself in the foot for peanuts, and I guess it's a legitimate position to hold. The far large…
It’s easy to avoid actions like this: Sign a collective bargain with a union and all unions are bound to leave you at peace for that agreements duration. So far two international companies have refused this: Toys R Us decades ago, eventually they had to give in. Tesla now.